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Hello all, this AAR represents my first Crusader Kings ARR, my second ARR ever (after a EU2 Welsh one that I was forced to abandon), and my (hopefully) first ever completed Crusader Kings game (I normally quit in the 1130s). I have high hopes about this though, and I hope to be able to have a couple updates a week. This post is not part of AAR it is just to give some background info and ask a couple questions that hopefully can get answered, and later tonight I should have my first part up. So anyways:

Basic Info
Count of Orvieto, vassal of Papal States
1066 Hastings
v1.05 Normal/Normal
SMACK Mod
Veld's Alternative Kingdoms, Duchies, Cultures, and whatever else he decided to change

Graphical changes
Veld's Fantasy Coat of Arms
A whole meshing of various things by Gratianus and lots of all people. I would love to give credit to everyone but I can't remember them. Very Sorry. I do know that in an AAR by Veld he posted all the graphical mods he had, and I remember liking the look of his game so much that I dl'ed them all.

Now then I have a few questions that I was hoping could get answered, only the first them do I need answered before starting this AAR, but if anyone could answer the other two I would be very grateful.

1. I know how to take screenshots, convert them, put them in Photobucket, and post them here. However what I don't know is how to edit them, by which I mean my screenshots are as big as my full screen, however I have noticed that many images here just show parts of screens... like just the upper part of the information scroll about characters, or just the portraits of them. How do I do this?

2. Thanks to Veld's Fantasy CoA packs I have a small amount of Metallic shields, and I would like more. Whenever I search for these here I end up at a thread by Solo Adhmair (Sp?) who orginally created them. However all the links in the thread, both those in the first post and those near the end of the thread are dead. Is there any way for me to still get these Coat of Arms?

3. A techinical graphical question: I have new graphics for the border of my shields which is supposed to be a metal boundrary, and these boundrary works for King's shields, the Duke of Pisa, and no way else. I know that in the GFX files I have put on the graphics in for Kings, Dukes, and Counts, so why does it only work for Kings and the Duke of Pisa?

Thanks in advance, and I look forward to creating this AAR and having my first part up tonight.
 
1. You must edit it with either Photoshop or Paint. There you just cut the important part out of the whole story.

2. If the links don't work and nobody answers you still, PM me and I'll send you all the CoA's I have (I have a lot of Solo_Adhémar's, though maybe not all, as well as Gigau's, which you probably will also like) via E-mail.

3. They must have exactly the same name as the former one, and replace it. So the kingdom.bmp must have exactly this name. The Duchy of Pisa is by it's tag in fact a Kingdom, just with a liege in the beginning.

Looking forward to this.
 
An Introduction to the TRUE history of the Orsini​


Gentle Readers, the words I have put down in the following pages have cost me everything: my rank is gone, my reputation is worse then a poxy whore, my friends and family have abandoned me, my lands have been laid fallow, even my very life is forfeit; but the words are worth it. They are words of truth, and that is the great problem. For truth is power, and the Church will allow no power that is not it's own. That is why I have fallen so far, that is why I am confined to this dank cell far from all that I hold dear, awaiting my inevitable death. All that remains is the action. and that can't come soon enough; stuck as I am in a cell that doesn't not allow one to stand tall nor lie down. The one comfort I have is that it is such a miserable place that even the rats don't come down here, the same unfortunately can not be said of the parasites. Indeed even if my some miracle a reprieve was granted (and with my continued writing it becomes even less likely) I fear I would die of a maliase contracted here.
Now there are those who say I am foolhardy, that I am stubborn, and (worst of all) that I am wrong. God knows that I am not wrong, though, and either in this short remainder of my life, or the next one, I shall be vindicated. In my hands, or rather in your hands if you are reading this, lies the unvarnished truth of an age gone by. An age that shaped all that came after, and an age that has been covered up with lies and half truths so that to the people of today it is no more clear then a new moon covered by clouds. I have spent my life uncovering the truth, sweeping clear the clouds of ignorance, and just see where it landed me..

But...ENOUGH. I am not here to talk of my story, but of another. One with it's own ups and downs, heros and villians, twists and turns, battles and deciet, a tale of princes and counts, lords and ladies, kings and knights; it is a story of how our world was, how it came to be as it is, and how it could of been. The one it does not answer is how it will become, for none can no that, and I would not care to. Now, where was I..., ah yes a tale of unsurpassed in scale, it has something for everyone, and, like all good stories, it is absolutely true.
This is the story of the Orsini, that remarkable family that went from a minor Italian county serving the Pope to... well we all know what they became. This is the tale of how they got there, and it asks that question, that one question that could not be forgiven. What if we were wrong? What if they were the heroes and we were the villains? Is the authority of the Church a lie? More then that though, I sought out the Orsini. It is known that a branch survived the battle, and I sought them out. But did I find them? It is for this information as much as for asking my questions that I am in my present prediciment.
I am sure by now that you are confused, and rightly you should be, I have most misused your attention. Forgive me. Allow me to explain... no there is no time. Simply to say, I wrote this work more then a year ago, and have punished most harsly for it. Now I am locked away with no knowledge of my fate, nor if any copies of my work remain besides this one in my hands. To occupy my mind until my fate unfolds I am writing this introduction and am making such edits as are necessary to the body of the work. The only reason I have this copy, pen and ink, and a light is that a sympathetic offical hopes that if I recant, illegitimize my work, and ask forgiveness that my fortunes will return. Never have I been one for such things, and the hole I am in can get no larger...so let us start.



All the Pope's Men​

-The True Story of the Orsini, by Robert of Nice


The Beginning​
In order to understand the Orsini, and all that follows, one most know the situation when things began. Now some of this is already accepted knowledge; name, dates, places, it is what happened to these people, then and there, that I suggest is different then what Holy Mother Church says. A shocking statement I know, but I offer no disrespect. I merely hope to further our knowledge and understanding of one of our most difficult periods of history. Now, to begin:

Our tales begins in December 1066, Iacopo Orsini is the Count of Orvieto. Where he came from and who is parentage was, is unknown. What is known is that he was 27 and claimed direct descent from a branch of Julio-Claudian family, a claim that was never disputed; not even ever by the Church who would be the only ones with the sort of records to prove or disprove it. Then, as now, there was constant bickering and politiking among Church officals, the only difference is now they show a united front, whereas then their divisions were widely known.

The principle characters of this episode of the Orsini History are as follows:


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The Pope himself, the Bishop of Rome, Anselm of Lucca.
-Anselm is a brilliant theologian and educated man, but not a forceful personality, more a victum of circumstances and under the constant control of others.


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Mathilida of Cannosa, the Duchess of Toscana and Spoleto
-Mathilida is one such other. She controls the Papacy and all there live and die by her will. She is supposed vassal of the Holy Roman Emperor Henrich, but goes her own way in all things. She is the constant antagonist of Iacopo Orsini in a tug of war for power and influence within the Papacy.


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Hildebrand of Roma, the Bishop of Ortebello
-Hildebrand is the only landed vassal of the Pope besides Orsini and is widely considered the obvious choice for next pope. Hildebrand is a man of principal and dignity, and oft ally of Orsini. He opposes all outside influence the Papacy which pits him against both Mathilida of Cannosa and the Holy Roman Emperor.


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Iacopo Orsini, the Count of Orvieto
-The man himself, without him there is no story. Of course the story continues for many years, centuries past his death, but it starts with him. He fights for honor and a Papacy that can stand on its own and not rely on others, nor be manipulated. As our tale begins he had just been named Count of Orvieto.

There are obviously many, many others involved in this story, but since our focus is on Orsini only his court shall be introduced now. All others shall be introduced as it becomes necessary and proper.

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Taddeo of Orvieto
-An extremely talented man, liked by all. He was one of the officals already in place when Iacopo arrived at his court, and the two became fast friends. Taddeo became the face of Orvieto and spoke with Iacopo's voice in all things.


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Ubaldo of Orvieto
-A rich and influential local merchant with a head for numbers like no other, he quickly became in charge of the treasury of Orvieto. Like all rich men he had a selfish streak, but he was known as being equally selfish too all, which some saw as a form of just.

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Giovanna Sfondrati
-The daughter of one of the local Orvieto barons



Light out you traitor!

Gah. I find my captors returning and I most put away my work and continue on another day. Curse'd be, just things were about to get going.

I said put that light out!

Yes, Yes I heard you already.
 
well, how is it? good, bad, indifferent? All comments are welcome.

Espeically let me know if the layout is confusing at the end. I'm trying to make stuff in bold going on right now, Italics what is written, and soon regular type will be what actually happened then. Sort of like as someone tales a story in a movie it fades out from narration and enters in the story. Does that seem like it will make sense?

I wanted to write a lot more then just that short thing to start off with, but I didn't have the time.

Anyways, I hope you enjoyed it and I hope to have another update tommorow, one that should be much longer.
 
I really like it so far. The layout comes naturally, even if you hadn't told in the end there would be no problem to understand it. I especially liked the beginning, as it is written in a person's view living far later and telling this story as well as the fact we find out it is on one of his last days and tells some but only minor bits of later happenings. You fast got my attention with this. Also the point we actually don't know anything about the narrator besides he is in a cell makes him interresting. Who is he? And why is he writing all this? I think we will see in the near future.
 
The layout is great and easily understandable, don't worry about that. I like your writing style very much, and I easily got drawn into the story. I eagerly await your next update to find out more about the Orsini family, and the chronicler himself :)
 
Great start! Looking for more. :)
 
Good luck!
 
Great start so far, Good mix of information, and intrigue about what is to come. If this were a novel, I'ld probably be reading the last chapter right now, because I'm so intrigued about who the narrator is, and why is he in jail, and what happened to the Orsini family, and...
 
I think I have yet to see an AAR with so much positive feedback so fast... and well deserved. I hope this will motivate you to hurry up with the rest :)
 
An excellent start indeed, very well written

I hope you enjoy the modifications I made

I have uploaded Solo_Adhemars coat of arms btw, you can download it here, WARNING ! the size of the file is 34MB

This file includes my fantasy coat of arms, some of Gigau and some of Grallonsphere
 
Thank you, thank you one and all for your kind words, I hope to have an update sometime tonight, within the next 5 hours or so. However it is monday night football, so there might a delay; however before I go to sleep tonight I will have it up.

And thank you too Veld for putting up the CoAs, you have my sincere thanks.

Have a good night all, and I hope you enjoy the next part (when it goes up) as much as you did the start.
 
…A Continuation


Sleep, it is said, is a cure to the problems of life; as we drift down into worlds of our own fancy, we forget about this pesky life with its pain and suffering. And, for just a few hours, we are at peace. I couldn’t disagree more; when I sleep I dream, and when I dream I have nightmares, and in those nightmares I relive life only more vividly. I see again all that I have seen, and start to see what I did not see at first, what I could not see. Ah my dear, for the first time I see what it must have been like for you…

But…again, I must remind myself, this is not my story. My story is not the point here, it is not my purpose, and, even if it were, it would make sense without the story I am trying to tell. So let us, I in this cramped and gloomy cell, and you, dear reader, wherever you are, see this story. Let us go back into the past, oh so many years, and watch this tale unfold. Imagine, if you will, a noble man of some seven and twenty years of the name Iacopo Orsini, a man of humble enough beginning, though he claimed a noble past, a man seeing his new home for the first time…


“It’s a pigsty.”
“Oh I wouldn’t go quite that far, sir.”
“Who in all God’s glories are you?”
“Taddeo, sir. I was the Holy See’s official in charge of the affairs of Orvieto.”
“Well I can’t say you did a very good job, the place is a pigsty. No, that’s being too generous; there are no pigs here, nor cows nor chickens, nor a recognizable system of farming, nor anything else. Just…that…what would you call that anyway?”
“Your castle sir, now then if you would just sign th-“
“My castle? It looks like a dilapidated farmhouse.”
“Yes well, times haven’t been good for us. Now as I was saying if you would just sign this order confirming you ha-“
“Times haven’t been good? That’s your excuse? Own up to your faults man, you were in charge here!”
“It was not my fault milord, now then I am told you are an educated man so if you would just sign this here we can-“
“Not your fault? You were in charge here, were you not?”
“Well yes, technically, but a man named Florentin was in charge of all monies and took most of it for his personal use. It’s no use looking for him, if that is what you are thinking, he has fled back to his Duchess, with all our monies in tow.”
“Duchess? You couldn’t possibly mean…?”
“Yes, sir. Mathilda of Cannosa, the Duchess of Toscana and Sporleto. A more wretched and selfish woman is not to be found.”
“Ahh a man after my own heart, I can see we will get along splendidly. Now let us get about the business of fixing this place up.”
“Yes sir, but first wouldn’t you like signing this official Papal docu-“
“No time for that Taddeo. I have only known you perhaps two minutes and already I can see that you have some trouble getting your mind from one topic to another, move with the times. I am ten feet and several minutes past where you stand, now try to catch up… there is work to do!”

Such words may sound harsh, but Iacopo was right, Orvieto really wasn’t much to look at. Florentin had ravaged the treasury and ruined such trade as there was to the point that in the whole of the county less a half a gold ducat was earned in a month. It is true in those times little enough money did exist, but Orvieto was worse off then most. As the Church would say: “A truer example can not be found of life as it was before the invocation of powers, life is so much better now is it not?” Life may be easier, so long as independent thinking on the myriad of forbidden topics is not high on your list of priorities, but is it really better?”
Such judgment calls are not mine to make, for what do I, one who lost al, really know about this life, when so many seem happy in it? No matter though… Let us then return to Iacopo just a few short hours later, at dinner that night where he introduced himself to such nobility as there was in the county.

“Honored Lords and Ladies, allow me to introduce our new Lord Count Iacopo Orsini.”
“Thank you Sir Taddeo, and I just want to take a moment here to thank you for assistance in adjusting myself to these new surroundings, it has been appreciated and I assure that you will have a continued role in the governing of these lands. So, to point, allow me to welcome you all to my hall, a place which has since even before the Romans been a place of power and dignity. It has a long and glorious tradition, a tradition which you and your families have been a part of for many years, a tradition which I would no more interrupt then renounce my faith …an interesting choice of words, as we shall see…
However just because something is ancient and venerable doesn’t mean that we must allow it to consume us, we must look to the present and future, not just the past; and to do so I am telling you, here and now, that our traditional customs must change, to a certain extent, while at the same making a conscience effort to respect them as much as possible. I understand that is must come as a shock and undoubtedly angers you, but we must be feudal, not futile…ah ha. The way it works is simple, you rule your traditional…lands, such as they are, and inside these lands your words are law, but outside these lands you answer to me, and if I say prepare for war, do it.
As you can see it is not a complicated system, just an effective one. Now then let us eat ….....umm…Taddeo?”
“Yes milord?”
“What is it we’re eating? It looks and tastes like an old boot.”
“Close milord. We prefer to call it prime aged beef with a sole.”
“A soul? You know it goes against Church law to say animals have souls.
“Sole, not soul.”
“Don’t follow.”

Now Dear Reader I feel I can not continue in good spirit… well ever, considering my current predicament… but in this particular instance because I am sure you are full of questions. Now to answer your question:, I have spent many years piecing together ancient records and court documents and the like to piece together individual events and what was said, where there are holes I have made the decision that where ever possible create a dialogue consistent with events and characters into a tapestry of history. As to your other question, quite frankly the only answer I can give is that times were different. In an age when one could die at any moment one could chose to be fatalistic and dwell on the negative ‘till the shuffling off of this mortal coil… or one could embrace life and stay in good spirits in all things.
Furthermore the times were not right for long flowery turns of phrase and poetry, but rather for course, rough language to get a point across quickly. I do envy them in that. Not to say I have no great love for literature, I do, though I wish there were more accepted topics that one could write on in these days… as I was saying, there is, or rather was, a time and place for being rough around the ages which is something we have lost I fear; along with much else. But I digress I fear, to continue, after the meal the assembled baronets and lords and ladies and such went their separate ways with much too talk of, while Taddeo introduced to Iacopo to the most important men in the county, after himself of course…


“Gentlemen, it is a pleasure.”
“The feeling is mutual, Lord Count.”
“Aye, aye ‘tis a certainty.”
“Milord, if you will allow me…this is Ubaldo of Orvieto, the richest man in Orvieto.”
“Aye that is the truth of it… now pray tell, I know you be a man of god, but this question must be asked: what is your stance on usury.”
“I’m flattered, but we just met, I’m not sure I’m ready for that level of commitment. Besides, with all respect, you’re a man.”
“Begging your lord’s pardon, but-”
“Nothing, nothing, just a little joke; as to your question, we do consider it a sin, so I think you know the answer to that all ready.”
“Perhaps, perhaps, it is known to me though one says such words they do not mean it nor would do anything to stop such sins.”
“What do you mean by that, sir?”
“Why nothing, a slip of tongue that is all.”
“Ahem. If I could continue my lord, this man is Luca Sfondrati, the head of one of the oldest families in Orvieto, and the father of Giovanna Sfondrati, the greatest beauty seen in many a year.”
“Indeed, I saw her at dinner. You must be quite a proud father.”
“I am, Lord Count. Would you like to be a proud husband?”
“I’m sorry?”
“I believe you heard me quite well Lord Count. If your answer be yes, she is upstairs awaiting you. And, now Lord Count I must go, I have duties to attend too. Farewell.”
“What an extraordinarily direct fellow.”
“In truth, though the lady is of a rare caliber of beauty and learning. As you doth decide your course of action, I must say that the night is late in hours, as I am in years, and fear I must leave you.”
“Hmm? Ohh, ohh yes. Well, may God guide your steps home, good night.”
“Good night Lord Count.”
“What do you say Taddeo?”
“It is as Ubaldo says milord, further it would make Luca ever your ally and strengthen your position here in Orvieto.”
“Well, that decides it. If you’ll excuse me I’ll just go upstairs.”

….

“Wow, um hello Giovanna, how are you?”
“Ready and willing, and this is my friend Julia.”
“So you must be our new count I’ve heard so much of…”
“Ah, er, yes…well… unexpected, not unwelcome though I suppose. And it’s not like there could be any long lasting consequences here, like a bastard or anything…”

In the interest of brevity, and perhaps good taste, I feel I must cut in here and leave the rest to the imagination; if you are young and have not the imagination… I’m not sure a tale of treachery, deceit, etc. is right for you, but if you reading anyway, and who am I to say what is right or wrong?… they all sat down and had a lovely conversation over a cup of tea and were all home by bedtime.
To continue…Iacopo marries Giovanna within a week, and a midwife confirms she is pregnant less then a month later, while her ‘friend’ goes back to whatever such people do when they are not in stories such as these. Iacopo rules for an uneventful few months, happy to be away from the intrigue and politics of Rome, until one day in April a man-

I hear the sound of footsteps coming near my cell and must put away this work for now.

“Still working on your insanity, Legate?”
“The truth is never insane warden.”
“Of course it is, that is why we hide it with lies that make sense.”
“What an interesting phrase, I must remember it; and it sounds as though you’d be the perfect one to give my work due consideration.”
“No Legate, I am not insane and prefer not to see insanity, I enjoy my life as is, there are those however who find insanity so much more interesting then ‘real’ life though, aren’t there… Until later, Legate.”
What now, could that mean?
 
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Once again all comments are welcome.


I'm very interested in what you all think of my having two totally different stories and styles in one. I'm trying to have a balance, one that is, at times at least, more lighthearted and fun in style, while the other more serious and dark. My hope is that the two balance each other so that the story doesn't drift too far to one extreme or the other and that they mesh into one long story that you all find interesting and engaging...
...if however you just find it distracting and annoying to be switching between 2 stories and styles, please let me know. I can take criticism, I swear.
 
Earl of Duke said:
Once again all comments are welcome.


I'm very interested in what you all think of my having two totally different stories and styles in one. I'm trying to have a balance, one that is, at times at least, more lighthearted and fun in style, while the other more serious and dark. My hope is that the two balance each other so that the story doesn't drift too far to one extreme or the other and that they mesh into one long story that you all find interesting and engaging...
...if however you just find it distracting and annoying to be switching between 2 stories and styles, please let me know. I can take criticism, I swear.


The balance is good, but I think you wouldn't want to take it too far because your "current" story seems to have a more serious tone than the "old" story that is being told. If the story being told gets too lighthearted, it will make the current story very incongruous, which may be your intention, I don't know.