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I know the more warmongering types who play our beloved game of EU will scoff at this question, but I must ask anyway.


Is there a maximum number of countries in an alliance? The reason I ask is that when I have played as certain countries, and have the economic might to give huge bribes to other countries, I will try and form alliances with more than 6 total countries, vassals and all. Yet, when I try to add more countries to the allaince than 6, regardless of their +200 relation to me, the decline to join.

At first, I thought it might be because they hate my other allies. I did some research, and was playing as United Prussia in the ICG. I had vassalized several of my brother German states, and they were naturally included in my allaince. It was Prussia (myself), Hanover (vassal), Hanseatic League (vassal), Hess, Saxony (vassal), and Cologne. I had realtions of +200 towards Kleeves, a royal marriage, and they were without an ally. I invited them to my alliance, and they declined (and I took the -15 to relations as a result). Kleeves was at least friendly with all of my other allies. I tried several times, and my monarch was not a diplomatic incompetent. Yet, they still wouldn't join. The point being, they loved me, liked my other allies, but still didn't join the alliance. (And, in a later war, would be annexed by me just out of spite over the matter.)

If I missed something somewhere that says "No alliances of more than 6 countries", then I feel silly. But, it seems to me that if you can't have more than a certain number of allies (for one reason or another), the option should be grayed out in the diplomat screen.

On a side note, I want to also ask if your BB rating constantly causes a decline in diplomatic relations, or does it only hurt them all at once? I'm asking because in a series of wars with the alliance and vassals mentioned above, I had a hell of a time keeping my vassals happy with me, even during periods of peace. I ended diplo-anexing them because it cost less than the huge state gifts I was giving them.
 
I have red somewhere on this forum that there cannot be any alliances of more than six members, including yourself.
 
'Tis indeed strange. There is nothing to say that you cannot have alliances of more than 6 members. However I have never acheived more myself.
I asked a few weeks back if anyone had and, lo and behold, some people had!
'Tis indeed strange......
 
It is possible, but you have to remember that if you want a country to join, it has to have good relations with all the other alliance members. This is harder, when you have more countries in an alliance.

I had an alliance of 8 once. (and only once)
 
Hmmmm, it seems to be one of the discussions that pops up every couple of weeks. Last time someone, i don't remember who, made an alliance with 12 members. So it's possible to get more then six, but it's hard and really, why bother? A group of small allies works much better, i'd say.
 
Any alliance that big is going to fall apart the first time anybody goes to war anyway .. you're better off with three close allies, especially if one of them is another major (Spain/Austria for example)
 
I agree, small number of reliable allies (with at least one major) is preferable. Most I've had is seven playing as Prussia and go thtem early. Tough to keep anything like that going since you can only store six diplomats anyway
 
related question

It's also a bit odd that you can't even issue an invitation to join your alliance to anyone who's already got an ally. eg I was allied to NL and Sweden and wanted to invite Austria but they had a link with Kleves. In real life they might well have dumped Kleves, or they might have both joined.
 
"Dumping Kleves" involves a loss of stability, which is one reason they wouldn't want to do it .... the manual simply says merging alliances isn't an option because the diplomatic setup of the era wasn't advanced enough to handle it.