Allied peace negotiation broken

[Carewolf2]

There seems to have been made a number of changes to the war and peace system, and combined they give a very broken situation.

The example case is Italy allied with Scandinavia with Italy being the more powerfull GP. Scandinavia for some reason declares war on Germany, and Italy follows.

In the new rules Italy becomes the leader of war despite Scandinavia started it. The war continues and Germany asks for peace offering all kinds of provinces, some to Scandinavia and some to Italy. Italy declines because they don't really want any undefendable provinces in northern Europe, and tries to make a new peace. However Italy is unable to ask for any provinces for Scandinavia. In other words they can only screw Scandinavia over, and the cause of the war never gets settled as Scandinavia can never get anything out of any war when allied with a greater power!

I see two solutions:
1. Return to a system with a leader of war, whoever dows.
2. Allow leader of alliance to ask for any provinces occupied. Provinces occupied by allies can only be given to allies.
3. Make a much more flexible peace system,

 

[Palle]

I agree with Carewolf2. Peace negotiation system is broken and the worst thing is that player as an alliance leader can't demand anything for the other alliance members. However, an AI country in an alliance war can demand territory for anybody, even if it is not leader of the alliance!

I don't think that the leader of the war should be changed, the country with most prestige is realistic and good solution there. However leader should be able to demand land for alliance members, like Carewolf2's second suggestion says.

 

[Andrelvis]

2. Allow leader of alliance to ask for any provinces occupied. Provinces occupied by allies can only be given to allies.

Great suggestion! A simple fix that would solve most peace-problems!

 

[unmerged(50629)]

There seems to have been made a number of changes to the war and peace system, and combined they give a very broken situation.

The example case is Italy allied with Scandinavia with Italy being the more powerfull GP. Scandinavia for some reason declares war on Germany, and Italy follows.

In the new rules Italy becomes the leader of war despite Scandinavia started it. The war continues and Germany asks for peace offering all kinds of provinces, some to Scandinavia and some to Italy. Italy declines because they don't really want any undefendable provinces in northern Europe, and tries to make a new peace. However Italy is unable to ask for any provinces for Scandinavia. In other words they can only screw Scandinavia over, and the cause of the war never gets settled as Scandinavia can never get anything out of any war when allied with a greater power!

I see two solutions:
1. Return to a system with a leader of war, whoever dows.
2. Allow leader of alliance to ask for any provinces occupied. Provinces occupied by allies can only be given to allies.
3. Make a much more flexible peace system,

Until such time as a change is made, if one is, couldn't you sell those lands you don't want to some other country, like Scandinavia? Also, I have not yet tried this, but is is possible to click on the flag in the negotiation, and select a seperate peace as the Alliance leader, just like it is possible to select a seperate peace by clicking on the target flag?

 

[borg1980]

I don't think that the leader of the war should be changed, the country with most prestige is realistic and good solution there.

Not always - in one of my games South German Federation was satellite
of Austria... and leader of alliance in my war with Austria (I was Italy).

 

[Andrelvis]

Not always - in one of my games South German Federation was satellite
of Austria... and leader of alliance in my war with Austria (I was Italy).

Well, that's because the SGF should NEVER have more prestige than Austria... The whole Prestige system is kind of broken =/.