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Here's the thread where our Players can get into their characters and spice up our game with this exchange of comments, also for our visitors for posting and stick their noses into our business ;)

So, start your grumbles dear crowned heads of Americans take Europe 2 :D


Discussion Thread : Here

Stats Page : Here

GM : the_genius

Co-GM : Casluerj

Host : Fraese

Schedule : Tuesdays at 9pm Eastern US Time (9pm Caracas - Santiago, 10pm Buenos Aires - Brasilia). 1am GMT (Wednesday)

Start Day : September 13th

Scenario: Ryo's 1492 Balanced Scenario
Settings ON:
- Exposed Asian CoTs
- Common Primary Culture
- Extra Cultures
- Extra Cores
- Southeast Asian Nations
- Early Governors
- Spain and Ottomans Boost

Thread of this Mod

Modifications of the Scenario:
* Added Cultures:
- Dutch : England, Spain
- Italian : Austria, France
- German : Poland

* Tech Trees:
- OE will have Orthodox Tech until 1700, then it will get Latin.
- Russia will have Orthodox Tech until 1650, then it will get Latin.
 
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List of Players :

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- Casluerj (294-204-319): England
- Arcorelli (199-215-417): France
- Holy Mighty AI: Portugal
- Delosandes (245-848-369): Sweden
- Mark Dey (95-371-616): Ottoman Empire
- Sitting Bull (206-041-956): Spain
- Javier (Pibe) (145-855-619): Russia
- wolf4492000 (325-065-397): Poland
- the_genius (50-674-554): Austria
- Gaius Marius (191-817-752) (sub)
- Vendere Sacerdo (280-880-064) (sub)
- Fraese (339-782-719) (sub)
- Cakravarti (312-205-395) (sub)
- TT4 (295-384-751) (sub)
 
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To the Crowns of Europe,

We in Austria greet you all, and we expect our contact between the different Courts and ours are fruitfull and benefitial for all of us.

In such way, we want to remember you that the territories that compose the Holy Roman Empire, the Kingdoms of Bohemia and Hungary are under our influence as I am the Elected Emperor and have true strong bonds with the Suzerains of these territories; any threat to the peace and the good development of the Principalities there will be taken as a direct insult to us.


Signed,


Friedrich V
Holy Roman Emperor of Germany
Archduke of Austria
Duke of Styria, Carinthia and Carniola
Count of Tyrol, Burgundy and the Artois
 
Wise monarchs of Europe,

Greetings from Your Majesty, the King of England. The English people are essentially peaceful, but we can fight to death to keep and conquer the claims gave to us by God. They are the British Isles in their totality and the Low Countries. All nations that support these claims will have English support for their claims, considering that they are reasonable.

By means of this letter, the English King wish to express its support for Austrians claims in Hungary, Bohemia and the south part of Germany.

Signed by Your Majesty, the King of England, count of Calais.
 
Diplomacy from the Ottoman Empire




Peace be unto you and to all of your loyal subjects!​

To better understand each other, I submit these statements for your consideration:
- Kindness will be repaid with kindness and treachery will be revenged.
- All Christians and Jews that choose to reside within my lands will be treated in a fair and just manner.
- Assistance or encouragement given to members of the shiite branch of Islam will be viewed with displeasure.
- Persecution of any brothers of Islam will be answered in kind and in proportion to the offense. If my brothers ask for protection it will be given.
- All Turks, Arabs, Kurds, Georgians, Mongols, Greeks, Romanians, Slavs, Berbers, and Magyars are particularly welcome in my lands as we share common threads of culture. I look to the day when all of these people are living peacefully with my guardianship.
- All diplomatic offers will be brought to me and fully considered before a response is made.

Trusted diplomats will be bringing each of you specific items for consideration. Any assault on them or their aides will be viewed with great displeasure. I look forward to reading your replies.

There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.

Bâyezîd II
Sovereign of the House of Osman
Sultan of Sultans
 
The Unification of The British Isles -> 1492 - 1502


England finished the XIV century in a good position. The British Isles were unified once again, after the annexation of Scotland to the Kingdom. Economy expanded, new lands were discovered and colonized and the Navy was reinforced and developed.

But to achieve these results it were need long and hard efforts. The priority was to accept the Scottish people demand and take power of the ancient Scottish Kingdom, rules by a greedy and hated Monarch. When English troops entered in Edinburgh they were treated like heroes.

In a not diplomatic way, an emissary from the Kingdom of France arrived in London. The French King was demanding Calais to “let” England unify the British Isle. What wouldn’t be a French business soon started to be an French excuse to attack England.

Seeing that wouldn’t be another way, England prepared itself for war against France. The military leaders of the Kingdom decided that if the English Navy could destroy the French one, the Kingdom would be safe. But that was the problem: While England had number superiority, it wasn’t huge: Anglosaxons had 70 warships while the French had 50. To aggravate the situation, the French navy was commanded by a good Admiral, called Bidoux, while the England navy in that era didn’t have any renamed leader.

But, by the grace of God and English superior tactics and firepower, the Battle of the Channel was won. After some small defeats, The English Navy could finally regroup and then fight the French one with full morale and force. Result: 33 French ships at the bottom of the sea, while only 7 English warships were lost! After that French Navy haven’t left the port, staying in the port of Vendee until the end of the war. This meant that the country was safety and therefore Calais was secured.


In the north, the Scottish army loyal to the hated King of Scotland were taking heavily loses. In the battle of Edinburgh, the great General Norfok met the Scottish Army. England had 40,000 men while Scotland had 35,000. When the battle finished, the Scottish Army retreated to Highlands with only 4,000 bad conditioned souls, while 38,000 England started to siege the old city.

In the meantime, 17,000 Irish crossed the border with Scotland and started to siege Glasgow. Norfok left the siege of Edinburgh with only its personal guards, but still leaving the city at siege, and come to help the Assault of Glasgow. Soon the richer lands of the north fell under English hands.

After that the war was ended anyway. The Highlands and The Grampians, despite some fanatical resistance, were taken and when the Capital surrendered the hated Scottish King offered peace deal: They would give all lands but the Capital to England and more 49 pieces of gold. After some considerations, Henry VII accepts the offer and peace was signed.

Seeing that continue the war would lead to nowhere, the French King offered a white peace to Henry VII that was immediately accept, despite the fact that this vile action from France wont be forgotten so easily.

After some years, to finish the ongoing project, war was declared again, but this time things were easier. France, knowing what would result join the Scottish side again, leave Scotland alone, the same act was made by Bretagne and Savoy.

Soon the Scotland Kingdom was incorporated into the English Kingdom and Henry VII was crowded Scottish King in the sacred city of Edinburgh. During the ceremony, Your Majesty, Henry VII, or Henry I (for Scotland), remembered William Wallace and his fight for peace and freedom in all British Isles.

It’s important to comment the actions of another great man: J. Cabot. This English explorer discovered new lands in the North part of the continent discovered by Columbus. Soon, with heavy English investments, settlers were sent to the area. A port in Nova Scotia was built and thousands of Trade posts were created to bring furs to the Centers of Trade of Europe.

In Foreign matters, Henry VII strengthens English relationship with Portugal, Spain and especially Austria. The Archduke of Austria, Holy Roman Emperor, offered a full alliance to England to counter French expansionism that was immediately accepted. Both leaders expect to have great profits with this friendship.

What these profits can be? Only the future can say…
 
Casluerj said:
Your Majesty, Henry VII, or Henry I (for Scotland), remembered William Wallace and his fight for peace and freedom in all British Isles.
:eek: An English king talking about Wallace?... in my times that couldn't be possible.. :rolleyes:

Nice AAR Caslu :D .... choose your reward
 
the_genius said:
:eek: An English king talking about Wallace?... in my times that couldn't be possible.. :rolleyes:

Nice AAR Caslu :D .... choose your reward

Besides, an english king could remember rather Robert the Bruce. After all he was a king.

And TG, only after one day is closed the competition for the reward? Shame on you ;)
 
what are the rewards?

Edit: nevermind
 
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arcorelli said:
And TG, only after one day is closed the competition for the reward? Shame on you ;)
No, mate.. check the rules post, now there's a reward for anyone who post an AAR...

Edit: Prizes/Rewards:
Rules said:
- AAR and Diplomacy between sessions are fully encouraged, by the meaning that every country/player *MUST* do a little AAR or commentary about what happened, no need of deep and long stories, just a few lines will be enough. This will be rewarded with some prizes (pick one of these):
* Ducats: until 1600 = 200d, until 1700 = 300d, until the end = 500d.
* Less BB: until 1600 = -3BB, until 1700 = -5BB, until the end = -8BB
* - 1% Inflation
 
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It was supposed to be my first day as Chief Minister to his majesty the King of France. Unfortunately I couldnt find a way out of my house! This situation persisted for the next decade or so. Recently a messenger arrived informing me of developments in the world. The evil English had refused to sell us our rightful territory of Calais and we were forced to go to war. Unfortunately the war didnt go as well as planned and we were forced to offer them a white peace. Now it seems that our friend The Emperor has decided to form an alliance with the English. His actions are perplexing. The English have claimed the Emperor's territories in the Netherlands, while we have not claimed any of his territories, furthermore our war against the English was for our rightful territories in Calais, surely the Emperor understands our situation. We hope that he recovers from this bout of idiocy soon. Hopefully I will be able to find a way out of my house and resume my duties soon.
 
You guys really should read better my AAR. Henry VII wasnt there because of the nobles of Scotland, but because the peasantry and poor people. Despite the fact that Henry hates William he had to say sth about him or try to associate his image with William because the people love WW. Explaned? :eek:o

TG, these prizes seems to be to much IMHO. If it was for a single winner it would be ok, but for everyone? Anyone can write a completely poor text and shazan: -1% in infla. I think that you should at least remove the inflation reduction forever.

Have said that I would like the -3BB reducition.
 
Cakravarti said:
It was supposed to be my first day as Chief Minister to his majesty the King of France. Unfortunately I couldnt find a way out of my house! This situation persisted for the next decade or so. Recently a messenger arrived informing me of developments in the world. The evil English had refused to sell us our rightful territory of Calais and we were forced to go to war. Unfortunately the war didnt go as well as planned and we were forced to offer them a white peace. Now it seems that our friend The Emperor has decided to form an alliance with the English. His actions are perplexing. The English have claimed the Emperor's territories in the Netherlands, while we have not claimed any of his territories, furthermore our war against the English was for our rightful territories in Calais, surely the Emperor understands our situation. We hope that he recovers from this bout of idiocy soon. Hopefully I will be able to find a way out of my house and resume my duties soon.

First of all you are either or misinformed or ignoring the fact. The French regent never came to London with a proposal to buy Calais. Never. So how could I have rejected it?

The proposal that arrived in London was an insult: "I'll trade Scotland for Calais". It meant: "Give me sth that you have and I'll give you sth that I DONT have". While France makes its diplomacy is such way more and more nations will join Austria-England alliance just for precaution.

Also your friendship if the Archduke would improve a lot if France released the Glorious people of Genoa. While your friendship with England will improve if you keep the "independent" status of the Duchy of Bretagne. The King of England dont know what would be his reaction if he sees that Gaelic people are under French control.

If this demands be accepted, England and (maybe) Austria will recognize the annexation of Lorrane by France and deals of Friendship and Spheres of Influence might be signed.
 
Casluerj said:
1) First of all you are either or misinformed or ignoring the fact. The French regent never came to London with a proposal to buy Calais. Never. So how could I have rejected it?

The proposal that arrived in London was an insult: "I'll trade Scotland for Calais". It meant: "Give me sth that you have and I'll give you sth that I DONT have". While France makes its diplomacy is such way more and more nations will join Austria-England alliance just for precaution.

2) Also your friendship if the Archduke would improve a lot if France released the Glorious people of Genoa. While your friendship with England will improve if you keep the "independent" status of the Duchy of Bretagne. The King of England dont know what would be his reaction if he sees that Gaelic people are under French control.

If this demands be accepted, England and (maybe) Austria will recognize the annexation of Lorrane by France and deals of Friendship and Spheres of Influence might be signed.

1) There regent had specific instructions to offer England a reasonable deal. Obviously the regent overstepped his bounds. This situation will be rectified.

2) The Kingdom of France is in Genoa to protect the people of Genoa from Austrian aggression. As long as the Austrians are aggressive in the region we will have to keep our promise to the people of Genoa to protect them.

Brittany is a vassal of His Majesty the King of France. His Majesty may do with her as he please. No mongrel 'king' has the right to tell the foremost Prince in Europe what to do with his subjects.
 
I will take the -3BB prize.
 
Casluerj said:
You guys really should read better my AAR. Henry VII wasnt there because of the nobles of Scotland, but because the peasantry and poor people. Despite the fact that Henry hates William he had to say sth about him or try to associate his image with William because the people love WW. Explaned? :eek:o
I think the English king is a populist :p

Casluerj said:
TG, these prizes seems to be to much IMHO. If it was for a single winner it would be ok, but for everyone? Anyone can write a completely poor text and shazan: -1% in infla. I think that you should at least remove the inflation reduction forever.
I guess you're right, it's too much, and having in mind that thought about this prize not a big help just to encourage people to do their AAR thing... then..

The -1% infla option is removed!

Casluerj said:
Have said that I would like the -3BB reducition.
Noted ;)
 
Cakravarti said:
1) There regent had specific instructions to offer England a reasonable deal. Obviously the regent overstepped his bounds. This situation will be rectified.

2) The Kingdom of France is in Genoa to protect the people of Genoa from Austrian aggression. As long as the Austrians are aggressive in the region we will have to keep our promise to the people of Genoa to protect them.

Brittany is a vassal of His Majesty the King of France. His Majesty may do with her as he please. No mongrel 'king' has the right to tell the foremost Prince in Europe what to do with his subjects.

The Kingdom of England recognizes Britanny was a French vassal. But annexing it would lead to unpredictable consequences.

And what The King of France means with "Austrian Agression"? The annexation of Genoa was made before Austria had attacked Venice and annexed Milano (which the Archduke guaranteed to me that was for legitime defense). Also Austria cede his right in Franch Comté and Artois to France. So I cant see why France would annex Genoa because Austrian agressions.

What intrigues the World is Why would Spain split Genoa with France, taking the useless Corsica and giving Genoa and its Center of Trade to France??? Did the Spanish King become a French vassal or American gold made him become crazy?
 
Cakravarti said:
2) The Kingdom of France is in Genoa to protect the people of Genoa from Austrian aggression. As long as the Austrians are aggressive in the region we will have to keep our promise to the people of Genoa to protect them.

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To the Honorable King of France,

It is quite uncertain why Paris hold such a feeling to us. Austria have never been aggressive, specially to our good neighbours of the Italian principalities in the peninsula, who can tell how magnanimous we have been these years; specially the people of the Milanesado who graciously have offered us the Duchy to my family and we humbly have accepted.

Genoa haven't been threatened by the Empire nor haven't been treated wrong when we had received their envoys, the Doria family who are now being protected by us at the Milanesado after fleeing their rightfull territory, can fairly speak about our good behavious towards our Italian friends. The only situation is the stubbornes and aggressiveness of the terrible Republic of Venice towards us, but that is being resolved.

The Genoan situation will continue being under study by me and my advisors.


Regards,


Maximilian I
Holy Roman Emperor
Archduke of Austria
Duke of Styria, Carinthia, Carniola and Milan
Count of Tyrol and Burgundy
 
the_genius said:
I think the English king is a populist :p


I guess you're right, it's too much, and having in mind that thought about this prize not a big help just to encourage people to do their AAR thing... then..

The -1% infla option is removed!


Noted ;)

IMHO, TG, we should only reward the winner of the week, because of two things:

1) We would avoid thousands of edits to our beloved Editor, that this way would have to edit prizes for EVERYONE;

2) Ppl would do some efforts to win the prize. Which means better AARs.

To accomplish that, I think that we should maybe give a little more attractive prizes (since now only one will gain it). And to force ppl to write sth you should give penalties too, for everyone who doesnt write an AAR in 2 weeks (demanding every week is not respecting RL problems but at least 1 per 2 session seams reasonable).

I promisse this will be my last coments on this. Sorry :eek:o