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So, here we have it... the core and new guys of the Americans take Europe 1 have decided to keep on torturing ourselves on weekdays night by playing an MP... :p .. and after that said, we the Americans (and such ;) ) will...


TAKE ON EUROPE... again... :rolleyes: ​


Some stuff have changed from the first version, so check it:

CommentAARies Thread : Here

Stats Page : Here

GM : the_genius

Co-GM : Casluerj

Host : Fraese

Schedule : Tuesdays at 8pm Eastern US Time (9pm Caracas - Santiago, 10pm Buenos Aires - Brasilia). 1am GMT (Wednesday) [Updated by Jan 16th]

Start Day : September 13th

Scenario: Ryo's 1492 Balanced Scenario
Settings ON:
- Exposed Asian CoTs
- Common Primary Culture
- Extra Cultures
- Extra Cores
- Southeast Asian Nations
- Early Governors
- Spain and Ottomans Boost

Thread of this Mod

Modifications of the Scenario:
* Added Cultures:
- Dutch : England, Spain
- Italian : Austria, France
- German : Poland

* Tech Trees:
- OE will have Orthodox Tech until 1700, then it will get Latin.
- Russia will have Orthodox Tech until 1650, then it will get Latin.

Players :
- Casluerj (294-204-319): England
- Arcorelli (199-215-417): France
- Holy Mighty AI: Portugal
- Delosandes (245-848-369): Sweden
- Mark Dey (95-371-616): Ottoman Empire
- Sitting Bull (206-041-956): Spain
- Javier (Pibe) (145-855-619): Russia
- wolf4492000 (325-065-397): Poland
- the_genius (50-674-554): Austria
- Gaius Marius (191-817-752) (sub)
- Vendere Sacerdo (280-880-064) (sub)
- Fraese (339-782-719) (sub)
- Cakravarti (312-205-395) (sub)
- TT4 (295-384-751) (sub)

Countries :
Majors (Necessary) : Spain, England, France, Austria, Sweden, Muscowy, Ottoman Empire, Poland

Minors (If the latter are taken) : Portugal, Netherlands, Mughal (?)
 
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As is to be expected I call in france. And Fraese what would you choose if we dont have the Dutch.
 
Rules...

- Responsability with the rest of the Players and Respectability are keys here (roleplaying is allowed and encouraged).

- No Gamey Behaviour.

- Play long term but not to the death, be reasonable.

- At a -85% WS and -3 stab, a country will be forced to accept the next stabhitting peace offer.

- Max number of Provs that can be asked a loser at the end of a war:
* Until 1550 = 3
* Until 1650 = 5
* Until 1750 = 7
* Until the End = No Limit :D
(Values: European Provs = 1; Non-European Provs = 0.5; CoTs = 2)

- Only the Losing Alliance Leader may be Stabhitted.

- Only the Winning Alliance Leader may negotiated a Peace agreement. No separate peaces allowed.

- Editions will be made before the sessions aproved by the GM.

- AAR and Diplomacy between sessions are fully encouraged, by the meaning that every country/player *MUST* do a little AAR or commentary about what happened, no need of deep and long stories, just a few lines will be enough. This will be rewarded with some prizes (pick one of these):
*1550 - 1650
- -0,3% infla
- +300d
- +300 to tech investments (land, naval, infra, trade & stab)
- -3BB
*1650-1750
- -0,3% infla
- +500d
- +500 to tech investments (land, naval, infra, trade & stab)
- -5BB
*1750-end
- -0,3% infla
- +700d
- +700 to tech investments (land, naval, infra, trade & stab)
- -8BB

- Always Playing with the Latest Beta.

- No maptrading with AI. Is allowed between humans from 1600.

- A Force-Vassalized Human must remained like it up to 20 years.

- Persian, Cantonese, Han and Japanese provs can't be taken until 1650.

- A nation that control an European Provs that is not his core for 50 years and it has his State Culture, will get a core on it; except colonies with Aborigin culture. (r) Casluerj

- If Netherlands spawn, they will get 2000d, 30 Warships and 25000 troops.

- The possibility of selling/buying provs between sessions is allowed, but will get the seller: -1 stab; and to the buyer: -1 stab, +2BB.

- No switching between CRC-Catholic, only two changes are allowed.

- The GM is your friend, respect him :) .
 
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Damn these guys!! :mad: they took the rules spot :mad:

lol

Ok, I posted the suggestion you made of the countries you want... as I did the last time, I will decide the final roster..

But as we can see, France is pretty attractive... let's what I can do to decide who takes it...
 
Want to play, but am totally inexperienced in MP. I'll try to get in a few experiences, or will at least play at Normal speed with no pause, a few times before the 13th.

I'm interested in playing Muscowy or Austria, or being a regular sub.

Email is deym@alum.rpi.edu, and I'll add my ICQ # once I get back home and find it.

-Mark
 
what's left? i like Austria, but I'm flexible
 
Hi Javier, good to see you around here... well at the moment the final roster is not decided yet til I get the suggestions from the rest of the guys, specially Delosandes..

btw, do you realize that the game will start at 3am there in Spain? ;) if you do, and wanna continue, let me tell you that you'll be my hero! :D .... kinda like I was doing in Sabbath Sangriento Sabbath 1 :p
 
Im glad to be special :p

Its great to see that we are going to start the new ATE... I hope I`ll do better this time

My choices are Spain, Austria or Poland... Even though I think Poland should get russian culture as lithuania starts with 5 russian/orthodox provinces which will surely bother the polish player... anyway those are my choices... let the GM decide
 
delosandes said:
Im glad to be special :p

Its great to see that we are going to start the new ATE... I hope I`ll do better this time

My choices are Spain, Austria or Poland... Even though I think Poland should get russian culture as lithuania starts with 5 russian/orthodox provinces which will surely bother the polish player... anyway those are my choices... let the GM decide
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Hal would disagree, ohh sweet nationalism, when humans will learn they are the same no matter where they were born :)
 
the_genius said:
Hi Javier, good to see you around here... well at the moment the final roster is not decided yet til I get the suggestions from the rest of the guys, specially Delosandes..

btw, do you realize that the game will start at 3am there in Spain? ;) if you do, and wanna continue, let me tell you that you'll be my hero! :D .... kinda like I was doing in Sabbath Sangriento Sabbath 1 :p
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Hal told me. count with me, I can sleep before sessions, I'll manage myself. but I won't miss this excelent chance to begin a game from the beginning. :cool:
 
Gaius Marius I said:
looks like you guys are getting all the interest you need, things filling up nicely...

Probably just put me down as a sub then... unless you find something that needs to be filled
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We always need someone else and you are considered as a perm due to your constant help in ATE1, so in the name of the GM (sorry tg :p ), feel free to choose your options.

the_genius said:
If Netherlands spawn, they will get 2000d, 30 Warships and 25000 troops.
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I think this is un-necessary if we wont have a NL player.

the_genius said:
- At a -99% WS and -3 stab, a country will be forced to accept the next stabhitting peace offer.
Click to expand...

For me this is too drastic... Maybe 85% would be better. To achieve a victory this way we would need a total war that isnt that good in the beggining of the game.

- The possibility of selling/buying provs between sessions is allowed, but will get the seller: -1 stab; and to the buyer: -1 stab, +2BB.
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I think that the buyer shouldnt get -1 stab because he could find a way to get a prov by diplomacy, ie, not making his beloved ppl going to war and dying for this prov. So it would be more realistic if the buyer only get the +2BB.

To finish as you know I would like to play as France... But I could do England too....
 
delosandes said:
My choices are Spain, Austria or Poland...
Noted, I will change the 1st post...

Even though I think Poland should get russian culture as lithuania starts with 5 russian/orthodox provinces which will surely bother the polish player... anyway those are my choices... let the GM decide
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Hmm.. at first I think it'll be too much for Poland, since I believe we have decided to give them also German, besides at first with Russian, Poland will crush easily Muscowy/Russia... let me think about it...

@Javier
Nice.. :).. better have lots of coffee around, just in case ;) lol
 
Casluerj said:
I think this is un-necessary if we wont have a NL player.
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It's just optional if NL's owners let it revolt and suddenly it spawn... just to give them a chance...

Casluerj said:
For me this is too drastic... Maybe 85% would be better. To achieve a victory this way we would need a total war that isnt that good in the beggining of the game.
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Hmm.. yep.. prolly right.. it will break that rule about being reasonable... I'll change that...

Casluerj said:
I think that the buyer shouldnt get -1 stab because he could find a way to get a prov by diplomacy, ie, not making his beloved ppl going to war and dying for this prov. So it would be more realistic if the buyer only get the +2BB.
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I have this rule in order to put those editions at minimum, to encourage those trades in-game.

Casluerj said:
To finish as you know I would like to play as France... But I could do England too....
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Yep we know ;)
 
Guys, remember to check the first post since there's the things we're going to modified in Ryo's sce to our MP... plus, remember to check the rules post ;)

btw, seems that the goats here are OE and Russia :p ... damn.. I'm kinda unexperienced ruling those countries otherwise I will be happy to pick any...
 
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