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Probably because of the Renaissance institution. Although yes, it is a bit weird that Asia Minor is part of Europe. South Caucasia should be in Asia too and the Lower Yik area should be in Europe.
Pretty sure it is due to how overseas provinces worked before states became a thing.
considering that the ottomans have a land bridge to anatolia 99% of the times, no.
I think it's mostly so that renaissance will spread in the ottomans......
The Ottomans start with 13 provinces in Europe proper, including their capital. And they don't lack money. I don't see the Renaissance being an issue for them.
Also, Anatolia has been considered part of Europe since 2013. Institutions came in October 2016. I don't think Institutions are the reason.
I do recall a dev or two answering this question because it has been asked before but I don't remember the answer.
Not only are institutions too new, lots of senseless stuff could happen with the overseas territories. I don't remember what exactly was the issue here, but pretty sure it was linked to that.
You can cut off all their lands just by taking a or at most two provinces.
It seems like was the case in EU3 though, so it could be a quirk in there.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...is-anatolian-peninsula-part-of-europe.607544/
Interesting find @zukodark , it has both me and @DDRJake particpating before we became devs (and so both of our comments should be seen as just as speculative as the rest there).
To be honest I am not sure at this point why Anatolia/Asia Minor is considered part of Europe in EU. It is a legacy from EU3 to be sure but changing it might still have unforeseen effects in EU4 I'd say
To be honest I am not sure at this point why Anatolia/Asia Minor is considered part of Europe in EU. It is a legacy from EU3 to be sure but changing it might still have unforeseen effects in EU4 I'd say
I seem to recall that it was because of the League Wars (as historically the Ottomans intervened to force the Poles out of the war)? and Common Sense (the DLC that added them IIRC) was on the earlier side.Interesting find @zukodark , it has both me and @DDRJake particpating before we became devs (and so both of our comments should be seen as just as speculative as the rest there).
To be honest I am not sure at this point why Anatolia/Asia Minor is considered part of Europe in EU. It is a legacy from EU3 to be sure but changing it might still have unforeseen effects in EU4 I'd say
Edit: Did some digging, here's what I found.
If the Ottoman capital is in Europe they'll prioritize Europe, if it is in Asia they'll prioritize Asia. As simple as that
Them being in Europe does mean more crusades, etc targeting them in my experience as well, but as they hold much of Greece, Bulgaria, etc as the game starts that cannot be helped anyway.
I don't think I've seen Anatolia (Asia Minor) being referred to as European much but for what it's worth the concept of European or the continent of Europe was arguably mostly academical at the time. Near the end of the game the concept of "The Near East" was somewhat popular in regards to Anatolia, but that only refers to all lands controlled by the Ottoman Empire (and so often included south eastern Europe).
When trying to promote a sameness with the rest of the European monarchs it was much more common to refer to "Christendom" than to "Europe" before at least the 18th century anyway.
Source
@CharlesII you are quoting exactly the same passage as Zukodark linked, and which I replied to in the post you quoted.
Because maps are square, so if you cut out Anatolia, you would cut out eastern Europe. It's easier to include them.
Interesting find @zukodark , it has both me and @DDRJake particpating before we became devs (and so both of our comments should be seen as just as speculative as the rest there).
To be honest I am not sure at this point why Anatolia/Asia Minor is considered part of Europe in EU. It is a legacy from EU3 to be sure but changing it might still have unforeseen effects in EU4 I'd say
Hello, there is also an in-game problem because when you start in 1444 as the Ottomans you should have the objective "Present on Two Continents" from day one. I know that it could have unforeseen effects but, I rather have a weird Ottoman behavior than the continents plain wrong, just my opinion.
While Anatolia being in Europe was likely just a holdover due to how overseas used to work, it is possible it was also kept that way on account of the continent restrictions on Cardinals - though that too is also outdated in light of the changes to Areas that 1.14 brought.
Just unite Europe and Asia into Euroasia. The border between Europe and Asia is arbitrary anyway.
I have a hard time believing that a government based out of London would have no issues in administering disconnected territories in India simply because the border between their continents is supposedly arbitrary.
Granted, states take care of this now, but there is still a point to having a separate Europe and Asia. Elsewise we might as well apply that argument for Africa too.
Sure, but why should a government based out of Athens have issues in administering disconnected territories in Anatolia? Or Two Sicilies and Tunis? Or Granada and Marocco? The problem is that overseas are based on arbitrary divisions (continents) and not on the actual distance.
Touché - and likely hence why Anatolia is in Europe, and why having land continuity with the capital negated much of those issues before states came around. Now that we do have states - beyond not being able to get Cardinals in said Tunis but being able to in Russia - how arbitrary are the game mechanics now?
This way there is nothing stopping a large Austria from adding say Beijing, or Bengal Delta, to the Holy Roman Empire.
Supposedly Višegrad in southeastern Bosnia, in particular the Mehmed Paša Sokolović Bridge built by the Ottomans in 1577 is considered to be the gateway between both the Western and Eastern worlds.
