Ancient Egyptian Mod Brainstorming

[Darkgamma]

Is there really no mod focusing primarily on Ancient Egypt? That would have to change quickly

What would everyone's ideas be? What period of Egyptian history would you like to see? What could you contribute to such a project?

 

[sreckom92]

For the time period, It depends on the scope of the mod.

If it would cover the entire CK2 map, then:
-From Akhenaten to the Bronze Age Collapse

If the map is only set around eastern parts of the Mediterranean, then:
-From Akhenaten to the Bronze Age Collapse

Or, if the map would only cover Egypt, then:
-From Akhenaten to the Bronze Age Collapse


Did I ever tell anyone what was my favorite period of ancient Egyptian history?

What could I contribute to this mod?
-Like, absolutely nothing.
OK, maybe I could write some events. I could also make animated event pictures. For giggles.

 

[tsf4]

I would love a Ancient Egpyt mod lol.

Map, 1000 provinces going from Med to Ethiopia. 100/10, would play

 

[tribnia]

For the time period, It depends on the scope of the mod.

If it would cover the entire CK2 map, then:
-From Akhenaten to the Bronze Age Collapse

If the map is only set around eastern parts of the Mediterranean, then:
-From Akhenaten to the Bronze Age Collapse

Or, if the map would only cover Egypt, then:
-From Akhenaten to the Bronze Age Collapse


Did I ever tell anyone what was my favorite period of ancient Egyptian history?

What could I contribute to this mod?
-Like, absolutely nothing.
OK, maybe I could write some events. I could also make animated event pictures. For giggles.

Hoping the map to be Eastern Mediterranean focused, with Anatolia, Isreal, Babylon included. Persian Empire would make a Ghenghis Khan.
By the way, is CKII able to simulate a classic government?

 

[Darkgamma]

Hoping the map to be Eastern Mediterranean focused, with Anatolia, Isreal, Babylon included. Persian Empire would make a Ghenghis Khan.
By the way, is CKII able to simulate a classic government?

Practically speaking, anything can be simulated to some sort of accuracy: the question is the amount of time someone's willing to put into it, and how narrow a time period you'd want to simulate. There's a difference between simulating Middle Egyptian bureaucracy of the Second Intermediate Period and like
generic classic Eastern Mediterranean autocracy between the 20th and 10th centuries BC

 

[tsf4]

Couldn't you feasibly narrow in to a certain time frame at first and then expand after "making it nice/work well"?

 

[Darkgamma]

Couldn't you feasibly narrow in to a certain time frame at first and then expand after "making it nice/work well"?

That's definitely the way I've done things so far, and it's shown itself as an approach that works well.

My primary thoughts about this have been to make something that would include at least one Kingdom and one Intermediate Period; this could be the Middle Kingdom and the Second Period, or the Second Period and the New Kingdom etc. (you get the idea), because covering much more than that would possibly dilute the experience.

Geographically, I'm inclined towards only the Eastern Mediterranean, including Libya, Egypt, the Levant and Anatolia, and not much beyond. I would very much like to avoid Greece, maybe going only as far as Cyprus and Crete, as an Ancient Greek experience would be massively different from an Egyptian or Anatolian one, and I wouldn't like to leave a huge and interesting chunk of the world either 1) uninterestingly bland and undeveloped 2) unplayable.

 

[Darkgamma]

Specifically, my thoughts on the northern end summarised:

Red would represent something I'd find optimal to include, with Libya, Egypt, the Levant, much of the Anatolians and Cyprus. Green is something that would make sense to also include in something covering the 12th–6th centuries BC but would be somewhat of a strain to accurately represent (what with Minoan trade and politics). Blue would, I believe, be right out for a mod focusing on Egypt and not the Classical Eastern Mediterranean.

 

[tsf4]

I think prov amount would matter here too. While I would love the blue line to be implemented, it would be a mass of provinces and I agree would be hard to show, and personally would best fit a mod focusing on Greece more than one focusing on Egpyt/Levant

 

[Darkgamma]

There's also the further questions of 1) "how far east are we going" (not far I hope) and, more importantly 2) "how far south are we going"

There's realistic arguments one could make for going as far south as even the fourth cataract and including the Nubian polities; Egyptian borders reached at times between the first and second cataracts (the Abu Simbel temple, made for Ramses II, and Philae were built between the first and second cataracts), and Egypt regularly invaded and was invaded in return by Nubians between the first and fourth cataphracts.

 

[tsf4]

Well, perhaps Samarra/Armenia down to Arabia would be my choice, and south I'd say include Nubia, although keep in mind we could make Nubia as an offmap power as well.

 

[tribnia]

That's definitely the way I've done things so far, and it's shown itself as an approach that works well.

My primary thoughts about this have been to make something that would include at least one Kingdom and one Intermediate Period; this could be the Middle Kingdom and the Second Period, or the Second Period and the New Kingdom etc. (you get the idea), because covering much more than that would possibly dilute the experience.

Geographically, I'm inclined towards only the Eastern Mediterranean, including Libya, Egypt, the Levant and Anatolia, and not much beyond. I would very much like to avoid Greece, maybe going only as far as Cyprus and Crete, as an Ancient Greek experience would be massively different from an Egyptian or Anatolian one, and I wouldn't like to leave a huge and interesting chunk of the world either 1) uninterestingly bland and undeveloped 2) unplayable.

I ‘d support Middle Kingdom period, for Exodus may be really hard to simulate...The same with Isreal prophets. But on the other hand, I believe that many people may be happy to try Bible stories, so...

 

[Darkgamma]

I ‘d support Middle Kingdom period, for Exodus may be really hard to simulate...The same with Isreal prophets. But on the other hand, I believe that many people may be happy to try Bible stories, so...

I'm afraid I'd rather deal only with strict history from an Egyptian standpoint :') there's, as far as I know, little to none-at-all evidence of Hebrews in Egpyt

Well, perhaps Samarra/Armenia down to Arabia would be my choice, and south I'd say include Nubia, although keep in mind we could make Nubia as an offmap power as well.

I actually haven't looked deep into what offmap powers entail, allow etc. Not an idea I've entertained, but sounds interesting. Wasn't there someone who abused the offmap power interface to create a card game in CK2? Or was it another, different interface window.

 

[Arona]

First I think about 2500-3500 provinces would be nice. Period should start at first or second dynasty.

 

[Lonhaldar]

I would love this kind of mod. if you needs portraits work, let me know

 

[Darkgamma]

I would love this kind of mod. if you needs portraits work, let me know

What kind of portraits were you thinking
I was thinking specifically Egyptian-style portraits, which came to me as a good idea for games after playing that Egypt: The Old Kingdom game. This is the style of art I was thinking about:

Slightly modernised, but still adhering to Egyptian norms and style.

First I think about 2500-3500 provinces would be nice. Period should start at first or second dynasty.

Why should province count even matter? What could we even fit into the 3500 provinces goal for Egypt
About the starting date: I'm not sure that starting in the Early Dynastic period would even be good without the proto-Dynastic/Dynasty 0 period and the unification of Egypt etc. Egpytian society and politics that early on were simply just quite different from later periods to the point that it would necessitate two totally different systems to manage it—two mods in one.

 

[Lonhaldar]

That can be done, should look like something like this for exemple, with a really quick try:

 

[Darkgamma]

That can be done, should look like something like this for exemple, with a really quick try:

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That's a pretty good job! I was thinking I'd have to do them all on my own so I went out to buy a book on Egyptian art yesterday. I'll see to putting up a collage of pics today.

 

[Lonhaldar]

That's a pretty good job! I was thinking I'd have to do them all on my own so I went out to buy a book on Egyptian art yesterday. I'll see to putting up a collage of pics today.

Thanks! I just came back from Egypt with thousands of pictures of frescoes and sculptures from Upper Egypt + maybe 20-25 books about egyptian art of Middle and New Kingdom mostly, so i've got an insame amount of sources to work on it if needed

 

[Darkgamma]

Does this sound like a mod team in the making

I have a surprisingly small amount of colour work from Egypt—understandable since it's mostly unpainted or faded monumental art—but I think our final colours might need to be brighter and more saturated/less yellow (they certainly were back in the day) and lines maybe cleaner. Could be that I'll have to get familiar with a vector program.