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Hi folks,

This may have been answered in another thread (but if so I haven't seen it) but isn't in the FAQ so......

If you go on a conquering rampage or simply take over a couple of provinces :) what can you do to lessen your 'BB' value? In other words, how can you make the AI countries feel happier around you?

Thanks,


Patrick

PS. I undestand that this may well change in 1.08 but....
 
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of them. If you keep your allies rich, they are more likely to stick with you and make the anti-badboy people less likely to attack. If you also pass the cash around minors, and majors who can't get at you it (and who you don't want to gobble up next) also seems to help.
 
This matches my experience also.

Playing England in the GC I 'digested' 3 of Scotland's provinces immediately. My badboy figured at 3. After some time (about 10 years), my badboy number was reduced to 2. I assume, all things being equal, that this would continue to decrease (If I hadn't 'digested' parts of France :)
 
I don't know whether it's coincedental but I've found through playing, that the better relations you have, and with the greater number of countries the less anti-badboy wars hit you. Two examples; playing as Bohemia, not much of an income, and a gradual expansion thanks to defensive annexing, and the occasional offensive war. Around 1700 I inherited Hungary, and the world spat at me. 9-10 countries at a time tried to tear me to shreds. I had a badboy of around 15, lower than either France or Spain, but I never had enough money or diplomats to foster relations with anyone other than my allies.

Played as France, and decided it was time to paint the world blue. Took Milan and some of Caribean early, and then through peacefull annexation, and reclaiming French land from Spain by 1700 I had all northern Italy, central Germany as well as the French CB provinces. Throughout the game I regularly shipped money around my allies, and all Europeans that were not my targets or natural enemies. The result, only 1 badboy DOW on me during the entire game. Was elected on and off to HRE, and my allies also gained, Papal States had the rest of Italy, Scotland took most of England, and Holstein took a lot of North Germany. I had a badboy in the 20's for most of the game, but the world turned on Poland, badboy rating was lower than me, and attacked until Poland was down to 3 provinces. When a large alliance turned on me, half the allies dropped out, possibly because I had a better relationship with them than their alliance leader.

Now this certainly is not scientific evidence, but a similar thing has happened before, sending money round Europe appears to decrease the badboy effect, though not the badboy number.
 
I don't know whether it's coincedental but I've found through playing, that the better relations you have, and with the greater number of countries the less anti-badboy wars hit you.

This is entirely correct, high relations still help somewhat if your BB isn't ultra high.

As for actually loosing BB points I only know two ways (which are both in my FAQ if anyone would care to read it =)
1) Time, 1.07C -1 each turn of the decade (1500, 1510, 1520 ...), 1.08 beta -1 every 4 years (1496, 1500, 1504 ...).

2) Loosing provinces (AFAIK -1 per province)
 
I think the badboy thing is way too excessive. It turns EU into a game of diplomacy and colonization, no warring allowed. You fight fun wars you get punished. Badboy should only kick in at all if you get really super powerful. I shouldn't be weaker than Spain and getting jumped every 2 years. It should also go down a lot faster than it does.
 
Originally posted by Vurbil
I think the badboy thing is way too excessive. It turns EU into a game of diplomacy and colonization, no warring allowed. You fight fun wars you get punished. Badboy should only kick in at all if you get really super powerful. I shouldn't be weaker than Spain and getting jumped every 2 years. It should also go down a lot faster than it does.
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If you feel that way why do you insist on playing the Historical campaigns ??

Play the Fantacy & short War scenarios instead and stop whineing becourse you can't grasp the alternative way of gameing EU is about.

BTW this should be taken as good advice, not a flamig, to a way to play the game without beeing 'hamperd' by history =)
 
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I like the Badboy Rating.

It makes the start of the game very, very difficult for us warmongers (unless playing one of the large nations who don't care). It's really a challenge when 10 nations all gang up on you during a war.

My only caveat is that it will probably becomes self-defeating later on - or if the player is playing one of the powerful nations. At least my experience is that the great limitation in the latter part of the game is the need to keep stability at +3, rather than any combination of enemy powers.

But at least one gets truly apocalyptic worldwars.
 
Originally posted by Huszics


If you feel that way why do you insist on playing the Historical campaigns ??

Play the Fantacy & short War scenarios instead and stop whineing becourse you can't grasp the alternative way of gameing EU is about.

BTW this should be taken as good advice, not a flamig, to a way to play the game without beeing 'hamperd' by history =)
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You should go play with blocks instead of trying to do complicated things like writing and using a computer. I think playing with blocks and legos would be more to your speed than this grown up stuff.

But please don't misunderstand, this is just advice, not a flame at all. Laugh.

P.S. I have a History degree, do you?
 
Ooer.

Some people do have quite big toes here! Handbag at full pace!

Complaining about a flame (which I don't feel it was but well opinions may vary) by flaming someone even more. My, my, aren't we the real grown up here ...

Going on about lego blocks, trying to denigrate someone and then bragging about your own history degree, just seemingly dropping it in the conversation in a P.S., would seem rather childish to me. It does quite a bit in fact. I bet that made you feel a massive 5 feet tall.

What's next ? Are u gonna throw your toys out of your box if u don't get your bottle soon and a nappy change ? Burp ?

My daddy is bigger and stronger than yours anyway! BUUUUUURP !!

P.S. I own my own football team, hell yeah! Take that, haha!
 
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Originally posted by BiB
Ooer.

Some people do have quite big toes here! Handbag at full pace!

Complaining about a flame (which I don't feel it was but well opinions may vary) by flaming someone even more. My, my, aren't we the real grown up here ...

Going on about lego blocks, trying to denigrate someone and then bragging about your own history degree, just seemingly dropping it in the conversation in a P.S., would seem rather childish to me. It does quite a bit in fact. I bet that made you feel a massive 5 feet tall.

What's next ? Are u gonna throw your toys out of your box if u don't get your bottle soon and a nappy change ? Burp ?

My daddy is bigger and stronger than yours anyway! BUUUUUURP !!

P.S. I own my own football team, hell yeah! Take that, haha!
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Simply because I have some minor concerns about EU (which even the programmers of the game have, since they are currently working on their 8th patch) does not mean I am somehow not sophisticated enough to play the game in historical mode, which is what he was implying. His post was rather sarcastic and condescending, and was certainly a flame. My reference to blocks and legos was clearly not an example of my own methods of argument, but rather a parody of his. I thought that would have been clear.

I see nothing childish about mentioning my background in history. It is only natural that I would respond to accusations of stupidity and historical ignorance by not only defending my own knowledge but questioning the knowledge of the accuser.

Any chance of getting back to discussing the issues?


As I have said, if I'm wrong enlighten me, don't insult me.
 
Originally posted by Vurbil
I think the badboy thing is way too excessive. It turns EU into a game of diplomacy and colonization, no warring allowed. You fight fun wars you get punished. Badboy should only kick in at all if you get really super powerful. I shouldn't be weaker than Spain and getting jumped every 2 years. It should also go down a lot faster than it does.
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To get back on topic: The badboy concept will be somewhat downtoned in the next patch. And it especially *will* go down a lot faster than it does now.

Hartmann
 
Originally posted by Allemand

Hey, this is fun....keep 'em coming.
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No, please don´t. The FAQ forum has always been a place of peace and quiet and I want it to stay that way.

On a lighter note: Hey, what´s wrong with lego blocks? I still have some around! :)

Hartmann
 
If his implications (which u can't be xure about really) aren't to ur liking then respond to them in a adultlike fashion, like actually trying to get ur point accross, argumenting, stating ur case. But u flame him back. U condemn his flame but it's ok for u ?
If he according to u sounds condescending and sarcastic and that bothers u, then why do u do the same ? 'P.S. I have a History degree, do you?' is not clearly stating sommink, now is it ? Sounds more like someone boasting. Like having a degree automatically means ur meaning is more valuable anyway.

Pot : note to kettle : Psst, BLACK.

He flames u so u flame him back. That looks like someone being quite childish to me. Either u wanna work sommink out, get ur point accross or u flame him simply cuz u want to flame him. Fine, but don't try to say then that u are trying to be serious and act all sensible.

Parody ? I just did the same, only more obvious, and I thought that would have been veeeeery clear. U apparently don't get it and refer to it as an 'insult'.
He said in his original post he didn't mean to flame, still u took it that way. That's your attitude. U apparently are the sole judge as how to interpret posts completely unbothered by the real intention.

To be honest I find ur post a lot more inflammatory than his so called flame but that's apparently ok. Ok so u say it's a parody. Well he said it wasn't a flame either. Still u took it as a flame.

Issues could be handled a lot swifter if people wouldn't instantly get on their high horses for just about anything.
 
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I enjoyed many a lego once upon a time. But they weren't called lego back then yet though, oh no, it were some kind of plastic lubricated wooden logs with holes in it. Still great fun. The cows' milk was still white and the coal mines were flourishing. Ah, those were the days.
 
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