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This is my first AAR. I've played a few games and found that taking notes has helped my enjoyment of CK. So I guess I'll share :) I wasn't taking screenshots while playing though, so I've had to piece together some of these screenies from my not so numerous saves.

Prince of Serbia
Hard difficulty and normal aggressiveness
Trying to roleplay
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Prince of Serbia, Bosnia, Count of Rashka, Hum, and Rama

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Rama, Hum, Rashka, Ragusa, and Zeta

After an extended battle for power involving wild accusations that Mihajlo Vujoslav's supposed father was 20 plus years younger than Mihajlo himself, calm was restored to the principality in early 1067.

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My father the younger

Mihajlo Vujoslav, prince of Serbia and Bosnia and Count of Rashka, Hum, and Rama ignored the speculation of who his real father was (was it the supposed father or son that was lying?) and began to move his realm forward by naming his court advisors, but he only really made progress towards squashing the persistent rumors of his false parentage by giving the people something else to talk about - two royal weddings.

In March of 1067, Mihajlo's first of three son's, Konstantin was married to Cundo of Eu, the daughter of the Count of Eu. Mihajlo was relieved as the questioning of his lineage died and was replaced by the new question, "Just where the heck is the County of Eu?"

Unfortunately, during Mihajlo's rise to power, his wife had passed away in 1065. Under the advisement of his council, Mihajlo remarries Helena of Ragusa, a zealous and chaste woman.

Mihajlo, wanting to establish a greater Serbian Kingdom for his heirs plotted and planned with his three sons, Konstantin, Vladimir, and Petrislav how best to achieve their goals. Bringing Belgrade, Vidin, and Naissus under Serbian rule would not be easy. Konstantin argued for attacking the pagans to the north so as to provide an example of the godly work a Serbian Kingdom would do. Vladimir was a proponent of all out war with his neighbors, take by force what should be ours, the reaction of the Byzantine emperor be damned. Finally, Petrislav preferred to strengthen the position of Serbia through royal marriages and seize on opportunities that would present themselves through inheritance or even perhaps to weaken the line of succession of neighboring counties for the greater good of a Serbian Kingdom.

My three sons
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Chaste and Zealous Konstantin
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Energetic reckless coward Vladimir
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Trusting Petrislav


Mihajlo, a capable tactician, pointed out the folly of his second son Vladimir's plan harshly, sternly reprimanding his son to consider the might of their liege, the emperor Konstantinos. Otherwise, Mihajlo swung between the plans of his 1st born, to deal a blow to the encroaching pagans to the north, and that of his 3rd son, to bide his time by entangling the Vujoslav line with other dynasties taking advantage of, and maybe even creating said advantage, through inheritance.

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This land is our land

As the year 1067 began, Mihajlo's devoted orthodox wife Helena began to sway Mihajlo's mind to defeating the pagans and liberating the suffering people. Plans were set into motion in early 1067. Konstantin was named Count of Rama and left the court for his new land and title. Unknown to Mihajlo, Konstantin first traveled to Byzantion to confer with the emperor on the evils of the pagans and he made many impassioned speeches on the rightness of the cause in the eyes of God, and revealed the Vujoslav’s plan in entirety to the emperor.

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Konstantin "the scapegoat" Vujoslav

By June of 1067, the new court in Rama was fully formed. Konstantin returned from Constantinople and officially presided over it and all of Rama's affairs as a vassal to Mihajlo. In the same month, Mihajlo's second son Vladimir, fed up with his father's rebukes and unwillingness to even consider his advice, leaves the court heading south eventually becoming a courtier in Peloponnesos. Never a word is spoken between father and son again.

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Reckless coward Vladimir flees court

In November of 1067, Mihajlo sends word to his vassals to mobilize. Son Konstantin, count of Rama and the architect of the plan, is ready immediately. Mihajlo's brother Radislav, count of Zeta, returns word by the middle of December that his army is ready.

December 31st, 1067, war is declared on the pagans of the Pechengs and nearly 2000 men begin their march north.
 
Good beggining...but... you attacked the Pechenegs. :mad: What did my poor innocent babies do to you? ;) Kiddin, just kiddin, I know it's the logical thing to do. ;) (oh ya and that database error is funny, those guys should not be father and son :p )
 
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Watch out or Shaytana might unless a can of dark lord song on you ;) .

Looking at how well off Vladimir was (Stat wise) it's most likly a good thing he fled!

That first son of your's on the other hand now that's a true one.
 
Unbeknownst to Mihajlo, his son Konstantin's discussions with the emperor had convinced the emperor of the righteousness of the cause. The emperor also declares war on the Pechengs. He even requests the help of Byzantium’s ally the De Hautevilles of Apulia and they answer.

Early February 1068, Mihajlo's army crushes the pagans of Severin and begins its siege. While the pagans resist, he is confident that the defenders will not be able to hold through the following winter. Surely his Konstantin was right; God does indeed support this war and Serbia's expansion. As winter thaws, word reaches Mihajlo that the whole of Byzantium is at war with the Pechengs. Konstantin reveals his deeds to his father and that he is responsible. Mihajlo is torn. His son Konstantin has gone behind his back, but was his action dishonorable? He informed their liege of their intentions, so persuasively, that he joined the cause. Was that so bad? He had done so behind his father’s back though. Mihajlo would have to think on that. Of the emperor, Mihajlo was certain he joined the war because of the cause and his support for a vassal, but he was not so sure of the cause ringing true with Apulia. Were they in it just for the land?

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Pagans up close

But wasn't this war for the prestige and gain of Serbia, not the emperor and his ally? What many of Konstantin's peers had assumed only a pious facade (even his own father at times) was exposed and a truly pious man remained. He firmly believes that destroying the pagans is glory to God and glory enough, Serbian glory be damned.

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Konstantin "Moe" Vujoslav

In February of 1068, the consequences of Konstantin's actions arrive. Apulia arrives with five times the men of Mihajlo's army. They quickly take control of the siege from Mihajlo. Knowing that the emperor will recognize Apulia's superior numbers in the siege of Severin as the cause of victory and award title ship to the De Hautvilles, Mihajlo sends Konstantin's detachment on to Trigoviste to gauge their numbers.

By June, with the siege winding down due to the overwhelming numbers from Apulia and the county on the brink of collapse, Mihajlo breaks camp for the pagan county of Trigoviste having gotten word from Konstantin that they are less in number than the pagans of Severin. Before Mihajlo can gather his army and depart, Severin falls to Apulia.

The siege of Trigoviste begins several weeks later in July 1068, but once again a large host from Apulia arrives to wrest control of the siege away from Mihajlo in November. Hearing news that the combined armies of Byzantium and Apulia have decimated the pagans further to the north, Mihajlo quietly pulls out of Trigoviste in December leaving Konstantin behind as Apulia asserts it's control in the county. He heads to Byzantion to discuss with the emperor his son's role in all of this and to inquire about county titles in the former pagan land. Having accomplished the stated goal, to bring greater glory to god by dealing a blow to the barbarians in the north, but leaving the unstated goal of bringing greater glory to Serbia undone, Mihajlo's trip is long and somber as he contemplates his son's actions.

Shortly after his father Mihajlo’s departure in late December of 1068, Konstantin's army and the rest of the men have disbanded and returned home with Apulia and Byzantium firmly in control of the pagans. Mihajlo seeks an audience with the emperor in Constantinople.

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Apulia's land grab

March of 1069, Mihajlo returns to Rashka from Constantinople with no new titles from the emperor to find his wife has died in childbirth late in 1068. Mihajlo is devastated. He vows never to leave Rashka and his family again. He draws his third son Petrislav closer to him while slowly distancing himself from Konstantin for revealing their plans to emperor which consequently stunted Serbia's expansion. Mihajlo's letters to his third son Vladimir in Peloponnesos go unanswered. By September 1069, the Pechengs are no more and Apulia has gained 3 of the Pecheng's counties while the emperor has claimed the rest for Byzantium.

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My liege

Recognizing Apulia's rising power and the utmost need to father more sons, Mihajlo marries one of Apulia's vassal's daughters, Fredesende Pellegrino in December of 1069. A generous woman, Fredesende restores much of Mihajlo's lost love of life, but she cannot mend the ever-widening gap growing between him and son Konstantin.

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Not a "looker" but a wonderful personality

3 years later in June of 1073, Mihajlo has a new daughter, Heria, after he and Fredesende’s first child, Kulin, did not survive more than 5 months. While saddened, Mihajlo was comforted by Fredesende's staunch belief that sickly Kulin was no longer in pain and in a better place. Also in June, Mihajlo risks his reputation by outright claiming the title of count of Naissus. As one of the emperor's stronger vassals and ultimately responsible for the successful war against the Pechengs, his claim is recognized and supported.

Despite the emperor’s recognition of Mihajlo in the war against the Pechengs, Konstantin garners a majority of the honor from the people and the clergy because of his fervent speeches and ability to convince the emperor of the cause. Konstantin's piety rises, as does his reputation with the clergy while God is set to punish Mihajlo. He loses both daughter Heria and brother Radislav, count of Zeta, in December of 1074. Radislav's son Branislav inherits Zeta.

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Sweet brother rest in peace

Once again, wife Fredesende pulls Mihajlo through the rough times and they are blessed with a son, Samuil in June of 1075. Mihajlo spends the entirety of his free time with Samuil, determined to somehow provide him strength so as not to lose a third child before the age of 2.
 
Shaytana said:
Good beggining...but... you attacked the Pechenegs. :mad: What did my poor innocent babies do to you? ;) Kiddin, just kiddin, I know it's the logical thing to do. ;) (oh ya and that database error is funny, those guys should not be father and son :p )

Yes I know they are innocent, but it was the best option available :) Blame Konstantin if you must. :D
 
Zeno of Cyprus said:
Watch out or Shaytana might unless a can of dark lord song on you ;) .

Looking at how well off Vladimir was (Stat wise) it's most likly a good thing he fled!

That first son of your's on the other hand now that's a true one.

While I agree losing Vlad wasn't a huge loss, I'm trying to play not really making stats a huge factor in my choices. And yes, Petrislav is gifted...Mihajlo knows which son to cozy up to
:)
 
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The new face of the Vujoslavs looks like the old

While the clergy and the empire recognize Konstantin, son of Mihajlo's efforts in Pecheng, the emperor realizes and understands it was Mihajlo who was ultimately behind the effort and still more powerful than Konstantin. Acknowledging Mihajlo's growing power, strong family, and military ability, emperor Konstantinos names Mihajlo Emperor of Byzantium on his deathbed in February of 1076.

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Mihajlo shocked

Mihajlo is shocked and almost refuses the unrefusable unwilling to break his pledge to never again leave his family and home in Rashka. His Fredesende convinces him of the opportunity before him though. As emperor, Mihajlo could create the title of King of Serbia allowing him to finally realize his dream of an independent Serbian land for his sons and his people. Grudgingly, Mihajlo is the new emperor.

Too young to make the trip, newborn son and love of his life, Samuil is left behind in Rashka as Mihajlo and Fredesende move to Constantinople. Once a court had been established and the tedium of transferring power to Mihajlo was concluded, in July of 1076, Mihajlo officially creates the Kingdom of Serbia and makes his third son Petrislav King. The Vujoslavs have a Kingdom of Serbia.



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Rama remains part of Byzantium

Unable to entirely break ties with his first son Konstantin and remembering the awful events involving his second son Vladimir who refused to talk to Mihajlo anymore, Mihaljo compromises. During the creation of the Kingdom of Serbia, Mihajlo makes Konstantin Prince of Bosnia. Both an honor and insult as Konstantin's younger brother Petrislav will now be his liege as King of Serbia.

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Mihajlo's son Petrislav and new King of Serbia

Becoming accustomed to life in Constantinople was hard and Fredesende began to miss her son Samuil dearly. Her behavior took a turn for the worse in October of 1077 as she sank into depression hardly ever leaving her chambers. Mihajlo sent word to Rashka to bring Samuil to Constantinople as soon as he was strong enough. While his wife's depression was a drain on him, Mihajlo would not risk his son's life to the harshness of long travel after seeing two of his other children die as infants. The affairs of the empire were pressing, as much as he missed his son and shared the same feelings for his son as his wife did, the empire kept him busy night and day and he did not sink into depression as his wife had.

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Fredesende's stress right before her depression

Petrislav's son Marko, the first born son of the new King of Serbia, stayed behind in Constantinople to serve as Martial to Mihajlo. Marko began to miss his father and in late 1077 at the age of 17, Mihajlo found a suitable wife for Marko, Ludmila Prezemysl daughter of the King of Bohemia, and soon thereafter made Marko count of Hum so that he could be nearer to his father Petrislav.

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Marko, son of Petrislav and future King of Serbia

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Marko's hard to find wife

Nearly 2 years later in February of 1079, Son Samuil arrived in Constantinople healthy and strong at the age of 4. His mother Fredesende recovered from her depression. Also in February shortly after Samuil's arrival, Mihajlo got the news of his secpnd son Vladimir's passing sometime in 1078. While saddened, Mihajlo had attempted reconciliation with Vladimir, but Vlad had never responded. After Vladimir had gone south, it was tough to move on, but without hearing from him in over 10 years the family grieved for him for a long time before his actual death.

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Vlad left the Vujoslav court many years ago

In the year of 1079, Mihajlo tries to better Byzantium by considerably lowering the scutage and launching building efforts in every corner of the empire. Somewhat unexpected is his raising of the church's donations. Guilty over his attempt to use God's glory as a cover for his grab at power in the War against the Pechengs in 1068, Mihajlo hopes to atone by increasing the clergy's funding.

Recognizing his own frailty, Mihajlo begins to withdraw from court life to spend time with Samuil grooming him to become a count. His plan is to appoint him as count of Rama, vassal to Byzantium, on the border of the Kingdom of Serbia and Croatia. There he can create his own mark on history and perhaps one day even unite with the Kingdom of Serbia, making it whole.

In 1081, Mihajlo's first son Konstantin dies of an intestinal worm. The empire mourns the man they feel defeated the Penchengs, single handedly some would say as his legend grows. Mihajlo mourns his first son despite what had come between them. Petrislav, King of Serbia moves to Ragusa and makes his crazed son Vlkan count of Rashka soon after his older brother's death.

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Crazy Vlkan

At the age of 7 in 1083 and with a suitable court to help guide him, Samuil is named Count of Rama in February 1083. While Samuil is quite young, Mihajlo fears that if he does not act soon, he may die before naming his favorite son Samuil Count. Samuil leaves for Rama. Also in 1083 as Konstantin's legend grows beyond it's history; he is canonized by the clergy for his role in bringing God to the pagans of Pecheng. Mihajlo has forgiven his late son any trespasses and is proud of Konstantin’s accomplishments. As a reward for his forgiveness, God grants Mihajlo one final son, Stratzimir, in June of 1087 at the age of 72.

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All is forgiven in death

8 short months later, Mihajlo is weakened and unable to get out of his bed without considerable help. Samuil makes the trip to Constantinople for a second time at age 13 to once again be with his father that loved him so. This time the trip is not full of excitement and wonder as the first trip had been for the then 4 year old Samuil. This time, he is going to say goodbye to his father.

2 agonizing years later, in February of 1090, Mihajlo, Emperor of Byzantium passes away peacefully with wife Fredesende and son Samuil at his side.

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Thus ends the tale of Mihajlo Vujoslav, emperor of Byzantium...
 
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I ment to ask this earlier, but how in the world is a son older than his father?

Mihajlo was a good man may he rest in peace.
 
Zeno of Cyprus said:
I ment to ask this earlier, but how in the world is a son older than his father?

Mihajlo was a good man may he rest in peace.

Good question :confused: As Shaytana said, they probably shouldn't be father and son at all. I did continue this dynasty with Samuil as Count of Rama, after an initial quick war, nothing very exciting has happened with him...lots of kids, no real wars, many marriages. The only spark has been a 3 year period where Vujoslavs were dropping like flies and a character showing up with a 18 !!! martial rating. Depending on how some of Samuil's kids inherit and if I can use Mr. 18, I may continue the AAR briefly summing up Samuil and moving on to the kids as they hopefully gain some power.
 
Interesting indeed. How on earth did you manage to get kicked upstairs like that?
 
stnylan said:
Interesting indeed. How on earth did you manage to get kicked upstairs like that?

Honestly, I have no idea. I highly doubt I was the strongest vassal, but who knows. I was just checking up on the emperor's family and happened to notice that I was number one in line for the title. Surprise Surprise. I almost quit but decided that it would be a shortcut to getting the kingdom of Serbia going so I soldiered on.
 
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth as they say. If an Isaurian bandit (kind of) got to be Emperor a few centuries, why not a Serb?

Dare I ask when an update can be expected? I think one of the things I'm quickly appreciating about CK is the 'soap' element of wanting to know what happens to the families!
 
tedhealy said:
Honestly, I have no idea. I highly doubt I was the strongest vassal, but who knows. I was just checking up on the emperor's family and happened to notice that I was number one in line for the title. Surprise Surprise. I almost quit but decided that it would be a shortcut to getting the kingdom of Serbia going so I soldiered on.

As the game stands right now, anyone playing a Byzantine Noble(and a prince at that hehe) and expanding even a tiny weeny bit, is 99% sure to end up as the next Emperor. By attacking the Pechenegs you virtually assured you were the next one.
 
Shaytana said:
As the game stands right now, anyone playing a Byzantine Noble(and a prince at that hehe) and expanding even a tiny weeny bit, is 99% sure to end up as the next Emperor. By attacking the Pechenegs you virtually assured you were the next one.

I'm curious (since I have the game on order) why?
 
stnylan said:
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth as they say. If an Isaurian bandit (kind of) got to be Emperor a few centuries, why not a Serb?

Dare I ask when an update can be expected? I think one of the things I'm quickly appreciating about CK is the 'soap' element of wanting to know what happens to the families!

Indeed :D

I've played up to about 1150 and Samuil is near death. I need to go over my notes and combine some of the family events into a story line. I'd like to play a bit beyond Samuil to see how his sons develop and rule...maybe a story line will emerge that will make Sammy a bit more entertaining.
 
Shaytana said:
As the game stands right now, anyone playing a Byzantine Noble(and a prince at that hehe) and expanding even a tiny weeny bit, is 99% sure to end up as the next Emperor. By attacking the Pechenegs you virtually assured you were the next one.

Interesting, I had no idea. I guess my next dynasty will be far far away from the Emperor.
 
:eek:

Samuil's heirs, though plentiful, managed to incur the rath of the Croats. The Vujoslav dynasty is no more.

Through some nasty political moves Samuil's sons were able to unite with the Serbian Kingdom leaving the Byzantines, but it seems as though the Croatians didn't like seeing the Serbians expand and declared war soon after. With no help from the King, I was wiped out. Although Bogdan (Mr. 18 martial) was able to put up a good fight outnumbered as he was, we were crushed within a year.

While the King of Serbia is a decendant of Mihajlo, I think I'll leave this dynasty at that. I want to try out battling it out in Spain and England. At some point I'll come back to the balkans with Croatia most likely.

:wacko:
 
croats seem to be hard-coded to win. we do so in all my games, and other people say that too...