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MattyG

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Greetings,

Playing Byzantium and the event file is very complex. Is there a link to a site or thread that illustrates the flow of events?

Thanks
 
MattyG said:
Greetings,

Playing Byzantium and the event file is very complex. Is there a link to a site or thread that illustrates the flow of events?

Thanks
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Unforcantly, no there is not. There was a dyansical chart up till about 1680 or so, but does not seem to be up any more. Really, all the events have to do with what monarch path you take, so pay attention to that, its the thing that matters.
 
No there isn't, yet.

It's quite simple though, when you know what to look for. First we have the dynastic events:

Events 200101 - 200105 deal with first dynastic succession, where you can either get Konstantinos Laskaris (Path A) or Theodoros Palaiologos (Path B) as the heir of Komnenoi. Most of the time you should get a choice there, but it depends on Krete and things.

Path A: Gives you 200106 and 200112, latter of which gives you either Manouel Palaiologos (path AA) or Alexios Kantakouzenos (path AB). Mind you that this Manouel is different person from path BB Manouel. :p

Path AA: Gives you 200117 and either 200118 and 200122 or 200120 and 200124. Possibly 200121. Possibly 201931. Possibly 201933. Possibly 201934. Possibly 201935. Continues in path C.

Path AB: Gives you either 200114 and 200115 or 200116. Gives you options Michael (path ABA), Ioannes (path ABB), Manouel (path ABC) and Ivan (path ABD), though Ivan is only in 200115. Also gives you 200195 and possibly either 200196 or 200197.

Path ABA: Gives you 200117, 200125, either 200126 or 200131, 200127, possibly 200132, possibly either 200137 or 200149, finally either 200138 or 200139. If you get Doukas as regent, you may keep Kantakouzenoi as rulers in event 200151, which goes to path E. Otherwise go to path C.

Path ABB: Gives you 200125, 200127, 200128, possibly 200133, possibly either 200137 or 200149, finally either 200138 or 200139. If you get Doukas as regent, you may keep Kantakouzenoi as rulers in event 200151, which goes to path E. Otherwise go to path C.

Path ABC: Gives you 200125, 200127, 200134, possibly 200135 and 200136, possibly either 200137 or 200149, finally either 200138 or 200139. If you get Doukas as regent, you may keep Kantakouzenoi as rulers in event 200151, which goes to path E. Otherwise go to path C.

Path ABD: Gives you 200125, 200127, 200129, possibly 200130, possibly either 200137 or 200149, either 200140 or 200141, possibly 200142 or 200143. If Michael Doukas wins, go to path C. Otherwise go to path D.

Path B: Gives you some of 200107-200111, putting you to either Dauid path (BA) or Manouel path (BB). Also can give you 201933.

Path BA: Gives you 200118 and 200122. Possibly 200121. Possibly 201934. Possibly 201935. Continues in path C.

Path BB: Gives you either 200119 and 200123 or 200120 and 200124. Possibly 201931. Continues in path C.

Path C: Gets trickier here, as due to need to get correct numbers on kings, there are two versions of dynastic events after this. I'll separate them with a slash. You get 200150 / 200152, with options Doukas (path CA), Monomachos (path CB) and Gidos (path CC). Also gives you either 201936 or 201937. Gives you 201938.

Path CA: You get 200154 / 200158, with options Doukas (path CAA) and Monomachos (path CB).

Path CAA: You get 200162 / 200165 (not with going them in CBA though), possibly 200163 / 200166 (not with going them in CBA though) and always 200163 / 200167.

Path CB: You get 200155 / 200159, with options Ioannes (path CBA), Saronites (path CBB) and Doukas (path CAA).

Path CBA: You get 200156 / 200160, with options Doukas (path CAA) and Gidos (path CC).

Path CBB: You get 200157 / 200161, which either gives you Revolution or Gidoi (path CC).

Path D: You get 200153 and 201940.

Path E: No events here. :eek:o

Revolution: Initial event is 200168. You possibly get 200169, which may trigger 200171, go to Civil War. You possibly get 200170, which may trigger 200172 that can turn you into Greece. If you don't go Civil War or Greece, you get 200173 / 200174.

Civil War: Started in 200171, this gives you three enemy AI factions that fight a civil war with you. If you pick Gidoi faction, you need to control all enemy faction capitals to win and if you lose control of Thrace, you lose. If you pick anyone else, you need to take control of Thrace to win, but if non-Gidoi AI faction takes control of Thrace, it gives you a draw. You have time until 1750 or permanent fragmentation occurs. If Gidoi wins, you get aftermath 200191 / 200192. If others win, you get aftermath 200193 / 200194.

Then we have some non-dynastic events:
- You may get 200144, depends on a finnish event
- You always get 201939 and 201943
- You can get 201941, see triggers
- You can get 201942 if you own Ionia
- You can get 201944 and 201945 if you own Angora, Konya, Antalya and Taurus
- You can get 201946 if you own two of Aleppo, Syria and Lebanon

And for those who want quick way to power, here is an easy to guide to big benefits:
- You can easily get turkish culture with path BB, you temporarily lose it during Turmoil, but can have it back after it.
- You can get italian culture, if you go on path AA or BA. This requires you to get cores in Naples & Apulia (Genoa needs to choose right for that to happen), need to have moved your CoT to Hellas, owning either of those two and finally having Sicily as vassal, the last two during timeframe 1530-1630. If you don't own either of those two and Sicily is not your vassal during 1632-1646, you'll lose italian culture, if you gained it. Definetly hardest culture to get and keep, but also best culture you can get.
- You can get caucasian culture in path AB. To get it, you need to go with plans to Revive Armenia. To keep it, you need to own Armenia, Kurdistan and Sivas during 1550-1592 timeframe.
- If you don't go for turkish culture in BB, don't favour genoans by moving CoT to Hellas in path AA or don't try to Revive Armenia in AB, you'll get a nice domestic booster instead.
- Michael Doukas (path C) gives you a very nice booster event, which has better and worse versions. To get the better one, you need to own Rumelia, Bulgaria, Thrake, Macedonia, Anatolia and Smyrna, either Napoli or Apulia if you have cores in them, Hellas and Morea if you didn't move CoT to Hellas, Armenia and either Sivas or Kurdistan if you have cores in them and finally all from one of these three groups: 1) Kaffa, Kerch, Ionia, Crete, Rhodes and Cyprus 2) Dobdruja, Serbia, Albania, Ragusa, Kosovo and Bosnia 3) Trabzon, Angora, Konya, Adana, Aleppo, Kastamonu, Antalya and Taurus
- Almost all nondynastic events are booster of variable quality, see above how to trigger them

As I went through it all, I just realized the new way into going Revolution obviously needs some rechecking with triggers. Urgh. :wacko:

EDIT: My mistake, Kantakouzenoi can get Doukas event, so nothing wrong there.

EDIT2: Going Greece is a bit hollow still. It works, but it's just the frame. It would need some events to make it a worthwhile choice.
 
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I guess Byzantium could need a bit of a simplification really.:p
 
I think it's easier now as you can check how you can get good stuff without digging it out of the event file. I put that "Quick guide to boosters" there for a reason. :D
 
Byakhiam said:
No there isn't, yet.

It's quite simple though, when you know what to look for. First we have the dynastic events:


Wow. Thanks for the work you have put in here.

I don't agree that it is 'too complex'. I wish all event files had these layers of cultural interest and delight. Burgundy's event file is bland an implausible by comparison. Of course, it will be even better when all the triggering bugs are worked out.

Matty
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Below is one of the Byzantium events. I am uncertain of what 'happens' dynastically if option B is chosen.

Does it mean that the monarchs of the "Doukas Line" 40203 to 40211 are made active?

Matty

event = {
id = 200151
trigger = { event = 200138 }
random = no
country = BYZ
name = "Regent Michael Doukas steps down"
desc = "As regent Michael Doukas is old, he now faces a tough decision. Should he give power to the heir of Kantakouzenoi or have him deposed in favour of other candidates?"
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1665 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = february year = 1665 }

action_a = {
name = "Return power to Kantakouzenoi"
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 2 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41171 } # Nikolaos I Kantakouzenos
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41172 } # Ioannes IX
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41173 } # Konstantinos XII
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41174 } # Leon VII
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41175 } # Ioannes X
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41176 } # Konstantinos XIV
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41177 } # Alexios VIII
command = { type = wakemonarch which = 41178 } # Nikolaos II
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40202 } # Michael Doukas goes away early
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40227 } #
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40228 } #
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40229 } #
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40230 } # Kantakouzenoi naming
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40231 } # for after Michael
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40233 } # Doukas Monarchs
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40234 } #
command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 40235 } #
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200152 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Depose them"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
}
 
Well Matty, I have made sure that always there is one line of monarchs not dormant, so that if by some bug player would miss some critical event, he would still have monarchs. So option B there keeps the default monarchs following that waken in 200112, namely monarchs 40227 - 40235, which are Kantakouzenoi versions of 40203 - 40211. This is also visible there in the event you gave, as I always sleep lines going dormant, so as I sleep in A that particular set (40227 - 40235), then obviously B option would have those ruling.
 
Byakhiam said:
Well Matty, I have made sure that always there is one line of monarchs not dormant, so that if by some bug player would miss some critical event, he would still have monarchs. So option B there keeps the default monarchs following that waken in 200112, namely monarchs 40227 - 40235, which are Kantakouzenoi versions of 40203 - 40211. This is also visible there in the event you gave, as I always sleep lines going dormant, so as I sleep in A that particular set (40227 - 40235), then obviously B option would have those ruling.
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Thanks, but I am still unclear. I can see that option A sleeps one set in favour of another, but how then does a player get to those Doukas-lineage monarchs 40203 - 40211? The monarchs woken/slept in option A are none of those lineage. The Doukas seem like a nice, smooth line of monarchs that go uninterrupted from Michael Doukas through to 1819, seemingly avoiding any civil wars, revolutions etc that plague the other lines?
 
Well Matty, you have to first realize that due to a need to have correct numbering for monarchs after Michael Doukas I had to have Palaiologos version and Kantakouzenos version of those same monarchs. So 40203 - 40211 is Palaiologos version of Doukas emperor line, while 40227 - 40235 is Kantakouzenoi version of same Doukas emperor line. They are statwise and eventwise identical, only thing that differs is names.

So to answer your question, how to get that smooth Doukas line, just pick B and then you are in path C of the chart and the path you look for is CA -> CAA.
 
Perhaps, for those of us who aren't intimately familiar, you could list the names of the events that kick you around to different paths, with dates?

I.E. event "We Don't Need Ships" in 1427, choice A will put you on path X, which allows you to gain Germanic culture, while choice B gives access to paths Y (colonial boosters) and Z (Arabic culture, cores in Palestine)...
 
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