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Hmmm wasn't Armenia under Arab control at the games earliest start period? Not sure fuzzy about Armenia history.
I thought Armenia was an independent kingdom? If not in 1066, then between then and 1300 or so. Saw it mentioned in 'Hounds of God', I did. 
All I know, is that at sometime during some crusade or other it was free, and free for quite sometime, but I have no clue on the dates, but it is certs a Christian population.
There's Armenia Minor, too. Although they were run by a Norman after the First crusade...
Cheers,
Milos
Cheers,
Milos
From what I can uncover with just a cursory search through what Medieval history texts I have lying around my desk, I -believe- Armenia was still free in 1066, though a Greek tributary, and would remain as such until the Turks horn in on the territory five years later after the Battle of Manzikert. This is referring, of course, to Greater Armenia.
In 1066, a good portion of Armenia was under direct Byzantine control and administration. There were also some kingdoms with varying degrees of independence and vassalage to the Byzantines or the Arabs. Don't remember the details of the kingdoms off the top of my head, though. I might look it up later if I feel sufficiently motivated....
Then Armenia should be playable since they became christian in the early part of the first century didn't they?
I think Aghsart'an I, son of Gagik II, was allowed to rule under Byzantine supervision. Greater Armenia, at least from what I can tell, was never officially annexed by Byzantium before Manzikert.
DaPacemDomine said:
Eh? A large part of Armenia was under direct administration by the Byzantines throughout most of the 11th century, even going back to the second half of the 10th century. This really didn't end until Manzikert. Sure, parts of Armenia were (relatively) independant kingdoms (meaning vassals to one power or another), but off the top of my head I'd say that more of Armenia was administered by the Byzantines than was independant throughout most of the period.
DaPacemDomine said:
So my history lesson continues....now after Manzikert wasn't greater Armenia under turk control?
At this time or perhaps soon after wasn't the georgian monarchy Armenian...think i remember something about that...hmmmm
Yes, after Manzikert, Greater Armenia was firmly in Turkish hands. They had to contend with uprisings almost from the start, several famous and large-scale incidents occuring in 1124, 1161, and 1174, all of which were heavily orchestrated by the Georgians. I think the start of the Georgian dynasty in de-facto rule of Greater Armenia starts with Queen Tamar (1184), though don't quote me on that.
No, they were not. The rulers of Armenia Minor were Armenians (most prominently the Hethoumid and Roubenid dynasties). Intermarriage with the French (still not Norman) Lusignans led to the last few rulers being reconed to the Lusignan dynasty, although they had quite a lot Armenian blood stillMishko said:
Ooooh right. I was thinking about county of Edessa, which was also populated by Armenians. Baldwin was Norman, wasn't he? I should brush up on my Crusades...Havard said:No, they were not. The rulers of Armenia Minor were Armenians (most prominently the Hethoumid and Roubenid dynasties). Intermarriage with the French (still not Norman) Lusignans led to the last few rulers being reconed to the Lusignan dynasty, although they had quite a lot Armenian blood still
Cheers,
Milos
Baldwin wasn't Norman eitherMishko said:
(Try Antioch: Bohemond was Norman)He was French/Dutch, of the Bouillon dynasty of Lower Lorraine/Boulogne
What was happening in 1066 Armenia
Well it had been partitioned by the Byzantines. The region around lake Sevan came under the rule of independent princes. Most of the Armenian nobility was resettled in cilicia.Jerzy_I said:
The main Armenian principality at Ani was annexed by the Byzantines in 1045. There remained a few minor principalities outside of direct Byzantine control in 1066, but these were excedingly small and unimportant, and they were for all intents Byzantine vassals. After 1045, much of the Armenian popluation left their traditional homelands and re-settled in various areas of the Byzantine frontier (most notably Cilicia and the Tarsus areas, but also areas along the upper Euphrates), which had been effectively denuded of population after being taken from the Muslims. After 1071 and Manzikert, emigration to these areas only grew in intensity, as Armenians fled the Turkish advance.