Asymmetric terms of war

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I am playing the scenario with the latest starting date using the current 1.03b patch. My nation is Byzantium.


The Golden Horde is at war with the Mamlukes. When the Mamlukes take a province from the Golden Horde they are only able to occupy the province. When the Golden Horde takes a province from the Mamlukes, it is immediately annexed. Seems kinda unfair to me . . .


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[Grosshaus]

Is this always when Moslims fight Pagans?

 

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I have only noticed the weirdness in this Golden Horde vs Mamlukes war.

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[lenny]

Is this always when Moslims fight Pagans?

In the 1337 scenario, the hordes are Muslim. So it seems to be caused by the fact that Mongols treat everyone as religious enemies, while they are not religious enemies for the Marmeluks.

In the earlier scenarios, where the Mongols are pagan, Muslim-Mongol wars work fine.

 

[NeilJT]

I'm assuming the Golden Horde are still mongol... Mongols treat everyone as relgious enemies, so I'm guessing this is WAD...

However a possible solution which would allow the rapid conquests of the mongols initially, while slowing them down when they convert to a western faith (in the later scenarios) is for Paradox to make pagans treat other pagans as religious enemies - therefore meaning any pagan states in Russia won't slow the invading horde down, and possibly more realisitic as the pagans weren't a unite faith in the sense that Christians and muslims were.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Is this always when Moslims fight Pagans?

It has nothing to do with muslims or pagans - it is because Mongols get special rules: They treat everybody as religious enemies, so no matter whom they conquer land from it becomes theirs immediately. This is WAD.

(It might, however, be interesting to ask Johan to add a converse rule - that everybody be allowed to treat a Mongol like a religious enemy )

 

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(It might, however, be interesting to ask Johan to add a converse rule - that everybody be allowed to treat a Mongol like a religious enemy )

It only seems fair to me. In my game, the Mamlukes kicked Mongol butt in the early years of the war and eventually occupied about ten provinces. However, they were never able to consolidate their gains with a peace settlement and the Mongols ability to auto-annex chipped away at Mamluk holdings until they were annexed 40 years later.


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