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It was agreed that a new game be started on Tuesday nights between 7-11pm Melbourne time :)

Players who are in Australia ,New Zealand or Asia area and good interent conenctions.

We will be using Standard HOI 2 with the 1.2 patch. The version should read UPHQ as we have changed the manpower replacement rate http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ad.php?t=200112.
Please make sure you do this so that there are no version differences when game time comes.

Axis Countries
Germany* - Husayn
Italy* - Munster
Japan* - Bumble
Romania-
Hungary -
Nationalist Spain(Starts as Republican Spain)- Roger

Optional Axis countries Finland, Sweden, Bulgaria

Allied Countries
UK* - Major Ball
USA* - GK
USSR* - Mike
Canada-
Australia-

Optional Allied countries France, Brazil, Turkey and Persia, Netherlands, Belgium and Poland.

* Denotes must have countires.

There may only be 1 Axis or Allied optianal country and if conquered you may swap to another mid game.

Rules have been very much reduced. However some are neccessary for game balance. Please read and add any thoughts when you post what country you like to play. Nothing is set in concrete and can be changed with discussion.

1/HOUSE RULES Known bugs/exploits:

a)You may not serial build Province upgrades, rockets,aa, IC etc as version 1.2 has not fixed this bug.

b)No use of 'ghost' units for capturing enemy provinces etc.

c)No phoney wars (i.e. DOWing but not attacking).

d)A possible exploit allows the Russsians to avoid Ground Defense Efficency(GDE) modifiers by DOW'ing a minor and forcing another power either Allies or Axis to DOW on them if they have guaranteed them. This then voids the GDE modifiers and the Russians could than attack Germany in 1936 with no GDE penalties. The Russians could then settle for peace with Allies and be at full GDE even if they DOW the Axis. To prevent this Russia may not DOW Finland(other than thru winter war event), Romania, Hungary or Poland and may also not interfere with the Chinas until the Allies are in the war. They may DOW on any other country but if AI Allied country DOW them they may not Sue for peace and must stay at war with the Allies.

2/PUPPETTING AND LIBERATING:

a)The Allies may not liberate any country till at war with the Axis

b)The Axis may not liberate any country till at war with the Allies(Japan may liberate Chinas)

d) Germany may not liberate Poland and France may not liberate countries till 1941. This is to stop ceratin events from firing which affect game balance.

3/ALLIANCES:

a)Allies and Axis can only join alliances with human controlled countries in their group ie Allies listed countries must join Allies.

b)Any human controlled minor country may join an alliance at anytime.
Exception: A human controlled Finalnd may not join Axis alliance till after the Finnish war. Russia may not go total conquest.

c)USSR cannot join allies and vica versa.

4/POLITICAL ACTIONS:

a)You may not influence or puppet a nation controlled by a human player without their agreement.

b)The UK may not DOW Japan (this leads to the USA being able to join.)

c)War in europe can start anytime

d)Japan may enter Axis alliance at anytime but must DOW on the USA also.

e)Anyone is free to bring a country to their alliance at any time.

f)No Allied ground forces in Russia apart from aircraft. Military access may be granted for rebasing of ships though.

5/TRADE AGREEMENTS:

a)No player may make any trades till the game is paused on the 7th January 1936. They may accept any deal offered by AI countries in this time. This is to allow traditional trades to be offered by minors ie Swedish ore to Germay etc

b)No economic warfare....UK,USSR and USA may not trade for rares in the first month of the game.

c)Any trade deals can be made or cancelled even those set at start of game.

6/NUCLEAR WEAPONS:

a)Can be researched and made at anytime!!!

7/SPECIAL RULES AND SPECIFIC COUNTRY RULES NOT ALREADY LISTED

a)To prevent mass evacution of French troops from France prior to Vichy event there is a limit of 6 divisions of French divisions which may be in Allied territory other than French.

8)DISPUTE RESOLUTION: APART FROM THE ABOVE HOUSE RULES A LOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN A GAME WHICH MAY UPSET SOME PLAYERS. IF YOU FEEL SOMEONE IS BEING GAMEY OR YOU ARE AFFLICTED BY A BUG PLEASE BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE GROUP FOR DISCUSSION. LOST TECHS CAN BE EDITED BY THE HOST AND SOME EVENTS WHICH MAY FAIL TO FIRE. NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE RESOLVED SO PLEASE REMAIN CALM AND REMEMBER ITS ONLY A GAME AND WE TRY AND PLAY FOR FUN. CURRENTLY A PROPOSAL IS UNDER CONSIDERATION TO SET UP AND AUSSIE WAR COUNCIL TO RESOLVE SUCH ISSUES.

I can add any rule suggested by the group and modify any rule listed here. Please feel free to add comments so we may all discuss.
 
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Read you post mate...interesting ideas.

Unfortunately due to balancing issues China is not available for play but any other country thats listed is still available.

We are looking at restrictin Russia IC upgrades and maybe USA IC upgrades for balance issues as well but it hads to be discussed first.

Last nights session only advanced one month due to the host having connection problems probably due to the weather conditions affecting his connection.

Any new players who have expressed an interest to play in our Sunday game may wish to play in this one. You may post here or turn up next Tuesday at 7pm in Vnet. Countries still available are listed above and would suit any new person wishing to join MP games. You may join an in progress game.
 
How about this for a house rule in regards to Lend Lease. The US player may only send Lend lease if they have enough supplies to cover all supplies sent when the event fires- if they don't have enough, LL doesn't get sent.
 
I must argue against IC restrictions for anyone, its part of the game that certain countries will be come industrial superpowers.

Also I wish to vote yes to adopting majors suggested system of running the games.
 
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Agree in principal bumble but Russia is very difficult to crack against a good opponent. Nearly all MP groups I have conferred with limit USSR IC upgrades before 1941. The get good industry upgrades from LL as well. Anyway hopefully we can get a Semi council in place to debate these ideas and have group votes on them once settled.
 
i'd like to play hungry or romania, a landlocked country (couse i get confused how the HELL the ships move, some are out of range for a plot right next to them yet you click halfway across the world and they can go there no problems)
 
ok well I dont have a problem with that although it will be 5 vs 3 so we may have to see what other say. The issue of your ships is easily solved. Remember the little port symbols are not really naval bases. You may rebase any distance to a big port symbol. You may move to any little port symbol within your ships range. You may only move outside your ships normal range when rebasing to a naval base(big port symbol). Never do long rebasing missions thru enemy territory with transports loaded full of troops as you may have trouble retreating from battle. Try to move transports with their normal range so you may need stop overs at Naval bases(big port symbols). Its important for the USA to build some naval bases in the Pacific so they can move ships around easier.
 
Also to all members and future members of the Aussie group. I have sent an email to all of you for revision and nominations. Any prospective new players to our group can PM me and I will send them a draft of our porposed Aussie war council for managing game issues etc.
 
major ball said:
Also to all members and future members of the Aussie group. I have sent an email to all of you for revision and nominations. Any prospective new players to our group can PM me and I will send them a draft of our porposed Aussie war council for managing game issues etc.

Nothing heard in my CP yet -- check your ICQ for my email address.

Cheers
 
Sorry Albatross..Spent 3 hours working on it and left you off :) You are a permanant memebr of the group. I am at work now but will send it soon as I get home mate. If you sent your email to my ICQ I should get it.
 
major ball said:
Sorry Albatross..Spent 3 hours working on it and left you off :) You are a permanant memebr of the group. I am at work now but will send it soon as I get home mate. If you sent your email to my ICQ I should get it.

No dramas major -- sorry I could not make the meeting tonight, had to work late with some urgent patients -- got home late, usual snafu with healthcare business.

Cheers