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I'm playing Austria now.
From what I read, this is not a usual choice for most players.

Well, I've mostly played diplo (let's say about 75% of my yearly money goes into diplo).

Here is what has happened up to now (1580) :
- early, Bohemia declared war, and gave me a province.
- not much later, I inherited Saxony : that's two provinces.
- I have been pumping money into diplo with neighbours. It took quite a while, but I managed to vassalise Bayern, Baden, and then Lorraine. Despite all my efforts, Hungary always refused me, although they are into my alliance from the beginning of the game.
- I then annexed Bayern (two provinces).
- with a CB against Bohemia, I declared war and annexed them (foru remaining provinces).

Then, time went slowly away until Thuringen and Wurtemberg declared themselves protestant.
Nothing much to do until Counter-Reform.

- At that time, I declared war on Thuringen (CB and different religion) and annexed them.
- Now, I could also diplo-annex Baden.

So far, so good : from the beginning of the game, I had gained 6 provinces in war and 5 other by diplo.
Although my army is much bigger that theirs, despite the fact that relationships have been 170+ from almost the beginning of the game, Hungary still resists vassalization. OK.

Having been relatively peaceful (compared to some other countries such as France, Spain or Poland), and France being into civil war, I decide to declare war on Wurtemberg (no allies) to bring them back to the true faith. At this point, hell breaks lose : Palatinate (protestant) declares war on me, followed by Spain her ally (Counter-reformed like me!!!!). Brandenbourg, Hannover and Hansa follow, and then Poland decides to enter the fray. Unexpected, all of this. Especially the entry of Spain and Poland in the war (after all, both are catholic or counter-reformed, and both had neutral relations with me).

The war lasts some time :
- I win over Wurtemberg, and, given the situation, I annex them.
- I win over Palatinate and I convert them to coulter-reform.
- I win over Brandenbourg and they give me a province.
- I win over Poland and they yield three provinces.

So, here is my situation from the start of the game :

- 4 provinces won in offensive war over a country with CB but same religion,
- 2 provinces won in offensive war over a country with CB and different religion,
- 5 provinces won by peaceful politics,
- 4 provinces won in defensive war.

Now, here is the problem : Badboy rating of 23. This, I don't understand ; from what I read, basically badboy goes up by 1 for each captured province, including peacefully (so 15 is okay). Declaring war also increases badboy, especially if with no CB and same religion. Not my case, except long ago with Bohemia (but I had CB). Time is also supposed to erase some badboy. So some of the badboy earned at the beginning of the game should have gone by now. I just fail to see how I could be at 23 in badboy rating.

Any hint ????


Now, another problem is the research rate. I have played Portugal and Russia. No problem with both, because you soon become colonial and hit major trading centers (i.e. these centers where you are mostly alone and make big money). Not that luck with Autria, which is continental. I could exchange maps and learn about Persia. But obviously, I reached the limit of what I could exchange, and either I declare war on a map knowing country and reach their capital or I'm stuck with poor trading centers, which in turn means slow (very slow!) research. This, in my opinion, is a major problem.

Actually, I am of the opinion that extra-european trading center are quite overrated. Their value should be divided by about 3 or 4 to fall into a reasonable value. For example, I fail to see how a Siberian trading center can generate more income than the whole European economy...

any comments ?
 
Annexing entire nations pushes the badboy rate up very high. There is a list, I think on Huszics FAQ, and there is one in a thread which I can't remember.

Your other problem may be that you have the highest badboy rating, and that it is much higher than anyone else. It is possible to expand, and provided Poland, Russia or France also have a high badboy, Europe won't turn on any one in particular.

As for counter reform Spain declaring war on you, that's not too far from reality, as Catholic France did the same to put a halt to the Emperor during the 30 years war.

As for the rationale of peacfull anexations being less 'bad' I'm not sure that I agree with the policy. Inheriting, conquering, or politicaly merging with Bavaria strengthens Austria whichever way it occurs, and some of the best historic examples of an anti-badboy coalition have occurred through attempted peacefull mergers.

IMHO, I think that every DOW should add 1 or 2 to the badboy, even if you don't take a province. That way, a persistent, but unsuccessful warmonger (France can you hear me) will suffer the consequences of continually disrupting peace.
 
I'm playing as Austria, BB about 10. Annexed Hungary, Bohemia, Venice and Würtenburg (all diplomatically), got Milan from France and couple of provinces from Poland. Mainly peaceful expansion, only a few wars. One lost: France, Poland, Brandenburg and Turkey attacked me all (different alliances). Was forced to give Turkey 250 and Posen back to Poland. Current date is 1610 and i have 3 colonies in North and 2 in South America (thank you Venice for your so wonderful maps and shipyards). Money can be a problem, but if you see enough of world map, you can actually get nice gold from overseas COTs. And trade maps with your neighbours as well, so they can all send their merchants there :)
It's doable, and you may totally necglect naval tech (last time i checked had 23 neihgbour bonus).
And i prefer peaceful approach. Easier that way. Poles are my lethal enemis and gave myself a CB against Turkey. Poor Poles captured one province from Turkey they had previously conquered from Hungary, thus giving me a casus belli.
Since i took my time and got Hungary only in 1577, i have managed to keep BB low. And remember, you lose one point every 4 years. So just build up your realm and wait.
 
U can just ignore naval tech which should bring u a very good army.

But if u military annex one province minors, u really shouldn't complain about BB, that's about some of the worst u can do.