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I'm James I of England with a Badboy rating of 2, when fortune falls on me, or so I thought. My steadfast long standing ally with the same religion, Sweden's Monarch, dies in bed of natural causes, without an heir. James I, it turns out is the next in line for succession to the Swedish throne and the Swedish people come to me to ask me to govern their country. Fine, I take control of England and Sweden, I don't recall even given a choice. I was just in, period! Then the s*** hit the fan, nearly everyone in Europe attacked me, as if I had forcibly annexed Sweden at gun point. My Badboy went to 15 for being 'given' the throne of Sweden.

What's with this!?! I can see Europe being nervous of me now because of the growth of my territories, but to make me a badboy of 15, this is too much.

I felt robbed! So I went into the saved file, changed my Badboy back to 2 and took control of England and Sweden. Now I'm cool with Europe, but I get all these nasty riots in Sweden because they consider themselves to be forcibly annexed, is that right? They didn't have a heir, what did they expect? Why riot, as if I went in by force of arms, deposed the monarch and imposed my rule. I'm the good guy here!

I know that the Badboy was added after the game was released, so is this something that wasn't caught or is this all suppose to be this way?
 
Getting an enormous country like Sweden should increase ur badboy as all of a sudden u have become so much bigger a threat. Setting it back at 2 is giving urself way too much advantage.

If they revolt, u aren't nice enough to them :D
 
'Getting an enormous country like Sweden should increase ur badboy as all of a sudden u have become so much bigger a threat. Setting it back at 2 is giving urself way too much advantage.'

I agree. Well then, what do you consider a fair Badboy value increase would be for inheriting the throne of Sweden?

'If they revolt, u aren't nice enough to them.'

Yes! But, I am nice!
 
Apparently the badboy value is lower for peaceful annexation, I would assume that this includes inheritance. Peacefull annexation can be a poisoned chalice as not only do your relations drop with almost everyone, and more with nations of the same religion so it seems, but now you have ungratefull Swedes, Hungarians etc who don't see how lucky they are to be under your excellent rule.

There was/is a discussion about peaceful annexation in the FAQ bug list, maybe some of the changes will be incorporated in version 1.08

For all the Austrian Emperors wondering why they can't annex Hungary, think yourselves lucky. I got it once, and not only did it ruin my research, destroy my relations and make me the pariah of Europe, but I went bankrupt raising troops to quell the uprisings. As a 'bonus' the Empire gained two more religions which ensured that war exhaustion caused more revolts.

IMHO, the badboy rise is correct, look at all the problems France had when they had with the inheritance of Spain, just about all Europe turned on them. The revolt risk too is pretty realistic, Spain's problems in gaining the Spanish Netherlands was never worth the cost to keep them, and France had to go to war to collect Milan, but in game play it does discourage peacefull annexation of nations.

Maybe an option for turning inheritance down, or accepting the throne, but keeping seperate kingdoms (same effect except that the other nation's monarch tree would follow your own; Scotland, and Hanover, and Holland were seperate from England even when their monarchs sat in London.

I wouldn't mind seeing a little more organized resistance to annexation, civil war in the annexed provinces, with real national armies, rather than just rebel scum which tend to only drain resources rather than ever challenging your rule. After all, nobles would be able to raise proffesional armies to try and seize power over the annexing power. That way, rather than 50k rebels in Flanders, a smaller, better rated army may be more effective, and is closer to what really happens in national uprisings.

But just think how fortunate you are, if you can hang on, subdue the rebels, fend off the anti-badboys and keep your economy, you have all that tax money from Lappland to flood the treasury :)
 
Boy did you luck out, you should be happy, not bitch about it.
It's the strongest minor in the game (unless you have a swedish language version, in which case it's even a major in the GC)

13 BB for 13 (?) provinces in Europe

If you would have annexed them militarily you would be looking at 40-50 BB points I guess.
 
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Yeah, but all Europe attack me, as if I had gotten the 40-50 Badboy points. I had France and other countries swamping me in lower England, taking my home provinces from me. I must have had 4 major countries with their allies all over me. I didn't count myself lucky at that point, instead I was wishing that d*** Swede had had a non homosexual sex drive when alive, so that there would have been a few spare heirs around.
 
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I always voted for a lower intitial nationalism revolt risk (maybe 2 instead of 3 lasting 20 years instead of 30) for peaceful annexations and inheritance. There MUST be some difference between a peaceful change of administration and taking a country with armed forces. But it seems, I´m not being heard on this one... :(

Hartmann
 
Originally posted by Hartmann
I always voted for a lower intitial nationalism revolt risk (maybe 2 instead of 3 lasting 20 years instead of 30) for peaceful annexations and inheritance. There MUST be some difference between a peaceful change of administration and taking a country with armed forces. But it seems, I´m not being heard on this one... :(

Hartmann
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I'm hearing you and agreeing. Let's see what happens with 1.08.
 
Originally posted by Hartmann
I always voted for a lower intitial nationalism revolt risk (maybe 2 instead of 3 lasting 20 years instead of 30) for peaceful annexations and inheritance. There MUST be some difference between a peaceful change of administration and taking a country with armed forces. But it seems, I´m not being heard on this one... :(

Hartmann
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I think your correct there should be a difference. Not shure though lowering it is the only 'correct' way. Why not Military 4/40 and Dip 3/30 or 2/20 ?
Would really make it worth it to use Dip.
 
Originally posted by Hartmann
There MUST be some difference between a peaceful change of administration and taking a country with armed forces. But it seems, I´m not being heard on this one... :(

Hartmann
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I hear you too. Come on Paradox, listen to Sir H!
 
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There MUST be some difference between a peaceful change of administration and taking a country with armed forces. But it seems, I´m not being heard on this one...

Hartmann
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Thanks Gentlemen,

Yes, the whole point of my starting this thread and using the word 'Bug' in the title, was to hopefully get Paradox's attention on this issue. My purpose is to help make a great game better. Maybe, if we keep this thread alive Paradox will finally notice it.

Carl
 
There MUST be some difference between a peaceful change of administration and taking a country with armed forces.

Would just like to add, there IS already a BIG difference between Military & Diplomatic annexation.
Russia taking Pskov with dip for instance gives +1 BB, military +6 BB. Quite a heavy BB penalty for useing military force over Dip.

Just thought I should mention it so people wouldn't leave it out as a factor when discussing this issue.
 
Anyone have a chart or reference to what badboy values mean. Playing Russia and annexing all of the Khanates I have a badboy value of over 25, and when ever I declare war, someone else jumps on me from behind (not that that is a problem, I just kill them too), but anyways, how high does the value have to be before everyone starts attacking without reason, and does high badboy value afect relations, or is it just more likely that they will attack you?
 
Playing Russia and annexing all of the Khanates I have a badboy value of over 25,

You must have done something else at one point or another.

Complete annexation of Kaz, GH & Astr yields 18 BB points including DOW, not 25.

but anyways, how high does the value have to be before everyone starts attacking without reason,

Paradox have been very secretive about exactly how BB is handled by the game engine.

and does high badboy value afect relations

Yes
 
I'm very curious about this. Russia has the capacity to eat these three khanates very quickly, but is this the best thing for Russia to do, in the game context?

Also, Pskov seems like an obvious target for diplomatic annex (I believe that you said elsewhere that you get 1 bb point for doing it that way, vs 6 for doing it by force, even with the casus belli), but are there other obvious targets for diplomatic annex? Maybe Georgia.

bruce
 
I'm very curious about this. Russia has the capacity to eat these three khanates very quickly, but is this the best thing for Russia to do, in the game context?

Opinions vary, but I don't think so. In fact I usually don't annex any of the Khanates at all, except for Golden Horde (capital has a goldmine). The relation & BB hit is just to high to make it worthwile IMO. I'd rather spend my BB on more profitable provinces.
 
The Horde is a must annex as Huszics points out. U just don't pass up a goldmine. But otherwise u don't have to get them all. I never have anyway. Especially the Astrakhan. I get the 2 provinces that connect me to Sibir and sack their capital for maps. Then I keep Astrakhan as a buffer in place against the KRim, Persia and so on. U can also work around Sibir and KAzan but that depends how well u are doing and what year it is.
 
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