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Hi all, I'd like to start a thread on corrections and modifications relating to the Balkans in HoI2. I have come by some threads on mods with enhancements for Romania, Hungary, Yugoslavia in the past, but it is my general impression that HoI has many more fans from the Nordic countries, while suggestions about historical corrections and more flavor from Southeastern Europe are very much lagging behind.

I was happy to see that Iasi is no longer annexed together with Bessarabia in Doomsday, but I think there are several other omissions; I don't know if they have been raised in other threads. Any comments highly welcome.

1) Did Bulgaria ever claim Constanta? Shouldn't the Constanta province be named Cadrilater and the Tulcea province be the actual Constanta with the important port, IC, and airbase? Bulgaria annexed only Cadrilater in 1940.

2) Macedonian question aside, Greece didn't have a claim to Skopje at any point. It did have a claim to Northern Epirus, which would be the Vlore region of Albania. The advance of the Greek army in this region in 1940 was much celebrated in Greece and the Greek staff refused to retreat even as the danger of German invasion became imminent.

3) Why isn't there a province for Istria/Trieste (worth 1VP), separate from Venice, claimed by Yugoslavia? This area was a flashpoint in 1945-1947. Rijeka/Fiume incidentally was already annexed by Italy in 1936...

4) Why isn't there a province called Hatay, separate from Gaziantep (which should probably be called Adana) and attached to French Syria in 1936? The negotiations that led to the annexation of Antioch/Hatay by Turkey in 1939 were an important event that is ignored in the game. Also, Turkey could possibly have territorial claims on Greek and Bulgarian Thrace.

5) Italy had claims on all the Adriatic coast, but should all these provinces be Italian national provinces and therefore have zero partisan risk once annexed? Mostar and Dubrovnik were pare of puppet Croatia NDH. The Italian claim should be limited to Rijeka and Split. But puppet Croatia should also not have zero partisan risk in its Bosnian provinces (incl. Banja Luka).

6) Since I know more about Greece, let me add some important notes: Ioannina should be a mountain without a fort. There were no fortifications there when Italy invaded. The Metaxas line on the Bulgarian border is represented by the fortifications in the Salonika province, but those went all along the border. Therefore there shouldn't be a connection between Bulgaria and the unfortified Edessa province. This was the whole point of the German attack through Yugoslavia in 1941! It was not possible to bypass the Greek fortifications without entering Yugoslav territory.

9) Why doesn't the Soviet Union have a claim on Bessarabia (and Eastern Poland) in 1936 as it did historically? Why does it have to wait until the Nazi-Soviet pact? (there are several other claims missing from the game, like Guatemala on Belize instead of Salvador, Siam on Shan States, Kota Bharu and Alor Star, Italy on Corsica, Germany on Trento)

8) In general, many leader dates and features are wrong and there seems to be a great lack for historical events adding options and flavor for players who would like to play Balkan countries, but I guess this is the case for most small countries...

I realize that if you're a modding expert you can fix all these, but wouldn't it be great if they were included in the vanilla version of the game?

If you know of any threads or ongoing projects related to these please post.

Thanks!
 
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Dorieus said:
If you know of any threads or ongoing projects related to these please post.

Thanks!
Uber balkan mod-you are welcome to join.

Since I know more about Greece, let me add some important notes: Ioannina should be a mountain without a fort. There were no fortifications there when Italy invaded. The Metaxas line on the Bulgarian border is represented by the fortifications in the Salonika province, but those went all along the border. Therefore there shouldn't be a connection between Bulgaria and the unfortified Edessa province. This was the whole point of the German attack through Yugoslavia in 1941! It was not possible to bypass the Greek fortifications without entering Yugoslav territory.
Finally found a man ho agrees with me :) .I was telling this to greeks and others but no one seemed to listen to me.At least Nimfea fort existed in kavala so kavala should have forts,and forts are to yugoslav border as metaxas line was built for defense from bulgaria but in game bulgaria can easily attack most vulnerable province edessa which is plain.Whats then purpose of metaxas line? ;)No forts existed in ioanina but terrain was hard and should be mountains.
 
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Thanks for replying guys!

I respect what's going on in the modding community, I just wonder how much of that is taken into consideration when the Paradox team works on a new edition. In the end, new editions have maximal distribution. I guess it depends on how successful the mod is as well.

Yes, LordNil, could you tell me how to subscribe to Uber Balkan Mod? I don't know how to join. I see you already have one person on Greece... Like you, I cannot devote infinite time to HoI but I have a degree in history and can help with some background information. I am not good with graphics etc.
 
I've pointed this thread out to the SMEP team, though I know that several of the issues mentioned here are already fixed in SMEP (like the Shan States claim issue). I don't know if all of them are implemented, but they will be looked at.
 
Dorieus said:
I respect what's going on in the modding community, I just wonder how much of that is taken into consideration when the Paradox team works on a new edition. In the end, new editions have maximal distribution. I guess it depends on how successful the mod is as well.

HOI III is still a far way off, so most people will be playing Armageddon for quite some time. Also, I do think that the developers will take some of the massive amount of modding material into consideration.
 
Fort in Kavala

LORD NIL said:
Uber balkan mod-you are welcome to join.


Finally found a man ho agrees with me :) .I was telling this to greeks and others but no one seemed to listen to me.At least Nimfea fort existed in kavala so kavala should have forts,and forts are to yugoslav border as metaxas line was built for defense from bulgaria but in game bulgaria can easily attack most vulnerable province edessa which is plain.Whats then purpose of metaxas line? ;)No forts existed in ioanina but terrain was hard and should be mountains.

Well, now there's two of us! You are right that there were fortifications in the Kavala area. In fact Kavala was covered and the fortification line was moving along the Rhodope mountain in Thrace when the war started. So there should be a 1-level fortification there in 1939, but not in 1936.
 
dino_2d said:
Talking about Balkan corrections, where in this game is Macedonia, how come you included flag of every vilage so thay can claim own states and there is no republic of Macedonia included. :mad: :confused:
There will be macedonia in uberbalkn mod as releasable country.
I dont know why it was overlooked in vnilla but we willl fix it.I think some mods already model this-check new nation mod.
No need to get so upset. :)
 
LORD NIL said:
There will be macedonia in uberbalkn mod as releasable country.
I dont know why it was overlooked in vnilla but we willl fix it.I think some mods already model this-check new nation mod.
No need to get so upset. :)

What is the flag for Macedonia in New Nations mod?