Bavaria

[Twoflower]

Since Archduke has talked me into contributing a bit to this and named me as person in charge of Bavaria, here is the thread to discuss the country that will be the biggest force in the HRE. Basically, the changes rely on one big what if: The Treaty of Pavia has never been signed, and thus the Wittelsbach holdings have remained in one hand. The Palatine and Dutch branches of the Wittelsbach dynasty are not separate, i.e. Bavaria owns the territories of the County of Holland (Holland, Zeeland and Artois) and of the Palatinate (Pfalz and Mainz).
Also, since Bavaria is strong and united, it managed to prevail in the dispute for two important inheritances. They secured Tyrol against the Hapsburgs (historically it turned out the other way round) and kept Brandenburg after the extinction of the Ascanian Margraves, against opposition from the Luxemburg dynasty and the remaining Ascanians (for this very reasons, the Hohenzollern also never moved to Brandenburg and instead consolidated their power in Franconia, but we can get to that later ). Bavaria also has kept the Imperial dignity after the passing of Emperor Ludwig.
The monarchs can basically stay the same, since Bavaria would still be ruled by Wittelsbachs, and there a no interregna or major dynastic changes in its history that would not have happened in the alternate history of Aberration. I am working on leaders and events. Basically I plan to let Bavaria become the leader of the counterreformation, and let them get some of the Austrian leaders like Wallenstein, Pappenheim and Daun (Prince Eugen will afaik be a leader for Savoy while Frundsberg, who was from Swabia, should imo still serve Hapsburg Swabia).

 

[Avernite]

Well, since Bavaria kept the imperial dignity, I suggest giving them the HAB tag, since it implies they have the best shot at becoming emperor. I don't know of any other side-effects the HAB tag has, apart from the improved chances of becoming emperor.
And I would give them an option, either become the champion of the counter-reformation, or of the reformed faith. they would have 4 reformed provinces, IIRC (Holland, Zeeland, Mainz & Pfalz).

 

[Twoflower]

Well, since Bavaria kept the imperial dignity, I suggest giving them the HAB tag, since it implies they have the best shot at becoming emperor. I don't know of any other side-effects the HAB tag has, apart from the improved chances of becoming emperor.
And I would give them an option, either become the champion of the counter-reformation, or of the reformed faith. they would have 4 reformed provinces, IIRC (Holland, Zeeland, Mainz & Pfalz).

I would not want them to have the Imperial dignity for granted, as the Hapsburgs do in standard EU2. The HAB tag does not have the best shot at becoming Emperor, it has the election almost guaranteed with SPA not included. It will be much more fun to see an actual fight for the title. By good starting relations with all other German countries Bavaria should be given quite an advantage, but nothing that cannot be made up by other countries. Especially several players battling for the election in MP could be really fun to see.
Dunno about the reformed faith, in fact I'd doubt that the Palatinate would ever have become calvinist if the Electors had not converted. Hmmm....perhaps there could be an event for a Calvinist revolt, where the player can choose to support or to suppress it (with suppressing the A option). Supporting the Calvinists would turn the country and some provinces reformed, put the historical Electors of the Palatinate on the throne and gain Bavaria some "protestant" leaders (like Mansfeld or Bernhard of Saxe-Weimar) - while suppressing them would cause a few revolts and let Bavaria retain its catholic faith, monarchs and leaders.

 

[ForzaA]

does this mean, btw, that Burgundy will not have claims on the Lowlands? (I assume it does)
Also interesting: conflict between Dutch Hansa cities ( Mostly in Gelre and Friesen provinces IRL, and Flandern, in this alternate history) and the Bavarians could prove a "fertile" basis for events

 

[Twoflower]

does this mean, btw, that Burgundy will not have claims on the Lowlands? (I assume it does)

Burgundy should get its cores on the Lowlands as well, that will make it a nice four-way bout for the area between Burgundy, the Hansa, Bavaria and Cologne.

Also interesting: conflict between Dutch Hansa cities ( Mostly in Gelre and Friesen provinces IRL, and Flandern, in this alternate history) and the Bavarians could prove a "fertile" basis for events

That's what Duke and I thought as well

 

[unmerged(14164)]

A couple of observations:

I loaded up the scenario file because I was curious as all heck. Because of its diverse holdings Bavaria fragmented into all of its component countries within a decade, leaving only its two orginal provinces.

This is really an AI problem as the player will be smart enough to build troops in all of his holdings, but giving the AI this initial advantage would allow it to hold its empire togethor.

She also needs very strong diplomacy and capable alliances in order to compete against the Hanseatic League.

Edit: Just noticed the latest file removed the potential revolters, at least now Bavaria won't become its component countries.

 

[TheArchduke]

Yeah, I am unsure about the Palatinate, Mainz and prolly Zeeland too will be removed.

 

[TheArchduke]

Leader file by Dommolus.