• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

kdonovan

Captain
22 Badges
Oct 29, 2011
394
65
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Sword of the Stars
  • For The Glory
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
Shouldn't the Beja and the Nubians get Camelry? Both were know for having numerous very good camelry during this period. The Nubian camelry may have been Beja auxiliaries, it's not clear. But they are recorded fighting the Arabs in the 9th century and the Mamluks in the 13th. Nubian and Beja camelry differed from the Arabs in that they generally preferred to fight mounted charging to contact. (Except for Bedouin raiders in skirmishes, Arab camelry generally dismounted prior to combat and fought as infantry. The Arabs tended to use camels for strategic mobility not any tactical role.)

Nubian archery was also noted by the Arabs as being devastating. (They called an early battle against the Nubians the Battle of the Eyes or some such as so many Arabs were blinded by Nubian archery during it. Nubian slave soldiers - some provided by the Baqt - were used as elite archers in Egyptian and other Arab armies of the period.)

I think the Beja cultural troop should be camelry and the Nubians either camelry or archers. The Nubian band should be 30% archers, 30% light infantry, 20% light cavalry and 20% camelry, although if you are trying to use it to represent the 'Abid in Muslim service then it would be 50% archers and 50% heavy infantry.

The Nubian military tradition was quite distinct form Abyssinia. The former owed much to Greek ideas and organization. After Abyssinia lost its coast in the 9th century it really became a military backwater having trouble with pagan raiders but being protected by its inaccessible mountain geography from Arab military interest.

Also, I thought the Baqt was paid by the three Nubian kingdoms, not Abyssinians and not the Beja.
 
If you are referring to the restrictions on war between the Miaphysites and Arab/Muslim it was extended to all to make the Miaphysites more viable/survivable like they historically were. Without it, whoever controlled Egypt regularly roflstomped all of Eastern Africa in record speed.

And i do agree that Elvain and perhaps Meneth and Cybr as well should take another look at the retinue composition for the Nubians and the Bejans, but Elvain at least is a bit busy with another project right now.
 
Concerning the Beja retinues - they already got special cavalry tribal retinue, which gives them extra cavalry troops.
I admit that this was done before RoI and its change in special units division, so those units are not defined as camels.

On the SWMH side, since the introduction of RoI we are pretty busy in map expansion, so I would like to ask for some patience in this regard.
 
Concerning the Beja retinues - they already got special cavalry tribal retinue, which gives them extra cavalry troops.
I admit that this was done before RoI and its change in special units division, so those units are not defined as camels.

On the SWMH side, since the introduction of RoI we are pretty busy in map expansion, so I would like to ask for some patience in this regard.

I know Elvain, it's that which i'm referring to in the last sentence ;)
 
No problem. I'm certainly not impatient or demanding it immediately. More just an item for consideration next time this part of the world or the retinue and troop mechanism is revisited.