BUG: NEW: Galleys lost to attrition count as warship losses until a reload

[lordvagrant]

Still paying Galley maintenance

I just noticed that I'm still paying maintenance for my galleys that sunk in the ocean.

I have no galleys, but I'm still paying for the 23 that got lost at sea.
They show up on the Naval tab and in the Maintenance tab in the Ledger, but not the current forces.

I'm using the 21st April 2005 beta.

 

[AndrewT]

Sure it's them and not another lot? Check in your save game file, they must be in there somewhere.

 

[lordvagrant]

I checked the save file but couldn't find them. I did notice that my galley losses were 1 to combat, 2 to attrition and 0 to disband. I had once built 25 galleys, and have none left.
Reloading the save game seems to have fixed it, but this didn't help me as I finished that game and was just checking some stats in Dec 1819.

So if I had had a crash and reloaded it would have been fine? :wacko:

Well, I'm pretty happy with how stable the game has been - just 1 crash in 400 years.

 

[lordvagrant]

I just did an experiment, giving myself 200 galleys at the start of a new game.
I then sent the galleys on patrol out to sea. Eventually they all died. Checking the Naval Tab, it says I have 0 warships, 193 galleys, 7 transports. Somewhere it lost my 10 warships that are still in harbour in the same fleet as the transports. My 50% maintenance cost is 6.9, which I am still paying each month.

Checking the ledger shows the one active fleet with 10 warships and 7 transports. In Losses, I have lost 7 galleys to attrition and 193 warships.

A save and reload fixes the maintenance cost once again to 10 warships and 7 transports for 0.6 at 50%

 

[AndrewT]

So it appears for some reason the game data as loaded are out of sync with those in the save files. Galleys lost to attrition are removed from some places and kept in others.

Was that solely for galleys, not transports or warships? Just in that game or can you reproduce this in other times? What scenario were you playing? Was it modded in any way?

 

[lordvagrant]

I was using the Grand Campaign. Its repeatable since I was able to do it at the start of another game with my experiment.

I think the problem is that in the loaded data, galleys lost at sea are counted as warship attrition losses, not galleys.

The game then thinks you still have that many galleys, and also thinks you have that many less active warships (for maintenance purposes). There is a potential for exploit here in that you could have 50 warships and then build 50 galleys which you could then sink at sea. From then on (until you did a save/reload) you would be paying galley maintenance cost for the warships.
Transports seem unaffected.

 

[AndrewT]

Anyone else seeing this? It seems odd no-one's noticed this in all this time.

 

[lordvagrant]

Maybe most people don't sail their galleys out to sea until they are all gone.

 

[unmerged(3931)]

I thought this was a well-known bug. It is easily reproducible. Build some galleys and send them out to open sea. Some sink in the open sea. They are reported as warship attrition losses and remain on the payroll until a reload is performed.

This bug has been with us as far back as I can remember.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

I thought this was a well-known bug. It is easily reproducible. Build some galleys and send them out to open sea. Some sink in the open sea. They are reported as warship attrition losses and remain on the payroll until a reload is performed.

This bug has been with us as far back as I can remember.

Indeed, I believe that Tonio's statistics generator ends up showing them as warship losses, which can confuse the heck out of everyone.

 

[unmerged(3931)]

Indeed, I believe that Tonio's statistics generator ends up showing them as warship losses, which can confuse the heck out of everyone.

The reason that the statistics are wrong is that the galleys are truly mistakenly classified as lost warships. If you have galleys that are lost in open seas and have some warships too, then you have lower maintenance for warships. But you pay for the galleys instead. If you have no warships, you have no reduced maintenance costs. Warships cannot go negative.

 

[AndrewT]

374 : Type: Game Logic | Status: CONFIRMED | Severity: MINOR
When you lose galleys to attrition (eg on the open seas) the lost ships are actually deducted from your total of warships, not galleys. If you have warships you still pay maintenance on the lost galleys but not on the corresponding number of warships. If you have no warships you still pay maintenance on the lost galleys but save nothing in warship maintenance costs as these cannot go below zero. The situation is fixed by a save and reload. Thread 208137.
Reported In: 1,08 | Correction planned In : | Corrected In :