Just how exactly will Byzantium be handeled? Will Manzekirt be an event?
Also, will there be events for changing dynasties like from Macedonian-Comnenus?
Also, will there be events for changing dynasties like from Macedonian-Comnenus?
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Noble families' succession is not set in monarch lists like in EU, and since the player himself plays a dynasty it would be unsporting to end his game by event...
I guess some sort of CB is required for mr. Pope to call a crusade. Whether it will be an evented battle that may not have occured or whether it is triggered by turkish expansion into byzantine lands(which, in case of byzantine survival, may not occur either) is uncertain.
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I guess some sort of CB is required for mr. Pope to call a crusade. Whether it will be an evented battle that may not have occured or whether it is triggered by turkish expansion into byzantine lands(which, in case of byzantine survival, may not occur either) is uncertain.
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The Macedonians are gone by 1066, Theodora having died in 1056. The Doukas family will hold the throne at the start of the game, and if you want things to go semi-historically, you can simply do what was done in reality - marry the Emperor's grand-niece to Alexeios Komnenos and try to engineer the succession that way...
IIRC manzikert was because someone died and turks didnt think the peaceagreement was valid anymore.
So perhaps as a dual event:
*Turks -Their (emperor?) died, shall we take what is ours?
*Byzntium.. this is it. appease or prepare for war?
OTOH crusades being on some level dependent on manzikert, maybe just the turkish event
Besides a defeat isnt really needed, after all if the turks are defeated.. then that means there is easy plunder in the east (or Gods sign, whatever)
Never underestimate opportunitism
If the right conditions are fulfilled I sure hope so.
Oh, wouldn't that be fun? Have a megalomaniac governor declare himself "Emperor of Cyprus"
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Oh, wouldn't that be fun? Have a megalomaniac governor declare himself "Emperor of Cyprus"
One can only hope!!!
Originally posted by Havard
If the right conditions are fulfilled I sure hope so.
Oh, wouldn't that be fun? Have a megalomaniac governor declare himself "Emperor of Cyprus"
Until the Serenissima comes down on the upstart emperor.
Well... The venetians were far from taking the upstart down... Dickie I on the other hand...
Who was the emporer in 1066? Zoe?
I dont really understand how this will work- without the tretcheries on the Battlefield of Manzekirt, the Komnenus would crush the Fatimids and Normans on the steel of thier boot!
I dont really understand how this will work- without the tretcheries on the Battlefield of Manzekirt, the Komnenus would crush the Fatimids and Normans on the steel of thier boot!
Zoe had been dead for 16 years in 1066... The Emperor was Constantine X Ducas.
Withour the Manzikert the Byzantines would have had plenty of other opportunities to mess up things agains the advancing Turks...
If it wan't Manzikert it would have been the next battle or the next one. Don't think the Turks would have given up too easily.
I imagine the Turks would have ended up moving on to Syria and Egypt if the Greeks could have kept them out of Anatolia. Manzikert sprung from some opportunistic probing by Alp Arslan not a premeditated, all-out attack. Christ knows how the game will deal with it.
No way- if it was not for the arrogance of Micheal Psellus and his bi*ch Emporer, it seems likely that the Turks would have just expanded south.
Romanus Diogense without Manzekirt could have been interesting- he would have killed Psellus and the other courtiers and could have been a sort of Basil III.
Romanus Diogense without Manzekirt could have been interesting- he would have killed Psellus and the other courtiers and could have been a sort of Basil III.
Alp Arslan of Seljuks never considered invading Asia Minor in full force. The Turkish army, in fact, was heading for Damascus when the Byzantines entered Seljuk-held Armenia, forcing Alp Arslan to abondon his plans for Syria and meet the Byzantine threat instead. Most Turkish textbooks also fail to mention that Alp Arslan pleaded for peace, unsuccessfully.
Bah Basil II was overrated. He was a mediocre strategist at best and he didn´t leave an heir solely because he wouldn´t trust a wife. The last one is the ultimate sin as a ruler.
that seems in keeping with something i read about manzikert being "a routine border mission" gone horribly wrong...
Mmm, I will also be interested how the game handles stuff like this. It of course neatly avoids having to deal with Hastings by starting (presumably) in the aftermath of that battle. But since Mantzikert was just so vital to the history of the crusades (after all it was Alexios I who asked for help from the Pope that started the process in 1095/6) that some sort of forced event might be needed.
After all, it's not as if the Eastern Empire of the Comneni was no lightweight and I'm sure a human player would be able to recreate the glory of the Macedonians.
Edit: Of course it is even worse than this since basically the loss of Anatolia took place over a very messy decade, and computer games in general do a bad job of replicating those sort of situations unless forced.
After all, it's not as if the Eastern Empire of the Comneni was no lightweight and I'm sure a human player would be able to recreate the glory of the Macedonians.
Edit: Of course it is even worse than this since basically the loss of Anatolia took place over a very messy decade, and computer games in general do a bad job of replicating those sort of situations unless forced.
I thought that the Byzantines were not playable. No?
If they were unplayable, then it could just be done with an event.
If they were unplayable, then it could just be done with an event.