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Damn you. Damn you to hell. Damn damn damn. Why do you do something like this? 
BTW why the hell not Xstian japan.
Who would be the brave explorers bringing Firearms and religion to Japan?
How about The Ukrainians. Ortodox tech group. Ortodox faith.
Early conquest of Manchuria by the Ortodox Ukraine Japanese alliance??? How about it?
Settlement of Far east By the shogunate. kamchatka. Sakhalin. Early Korean annexation.
How about Ortodox Korea?
BTW why the hell not Xstian japan.
Who would be the brave explorers bringing Firearms and religion to Japan?
How about The Ukrainians. Ortodox tech group. Ortodox faith.
Early conquest of Manchuria by the Ortodox Ukraine Japanese alliance??? How about it?
Settlement of Far east By the shogunate. kamchatka. Sakhalin. Early Korean annexation.
How about Ortodox Korea?
---> tarakan
OK, OK, but before all - stability in Japan, am I right?
---> Incompetent
In my opinion this case is very interesting (especially in "Aberration") - we shouldn't delete this thread.
OK, OK, but before all - stability in Japan, am I right?
---> Incompetent
In my opinion this case is very interesting (especially in "Aberration") - we shouldn't delete this thread.
M.A. said:
It's one possibility, but there are plenty of others: Japan could end up Shinto, Buddhist or even Muslim. In fact, Islam could spread to all sorts of places. I'll start a new thread on the subject.
There have been many suggestions for Japan, one is that Japan should be split in minors, and conquered by koreans, other is that Japan should be a centralized seapower. Both ideas seems interresting. Maybe a christian Japan is not that farfetched in the aberrated world, neither a moslem one.
yourworstnightm said:
My suggestion was that Japan should start as a bunch of minors under Korean domination, but if one of the minors somehow manages to unite the islands and kick out the Koreans, Japan emerges as a unified country and is slowly transformed into a centralised power, the religion and character of which depending somewhat on which minor did the unifying. In that way it'd be rather unpredictable, adding to replay value.
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This idea has been aired elsewhere and met with general agreement from many contributors. It is a very natural path for Aberrated Japan. Asia will be a lot of fun (and a lot of work) to Aberrate. One of the Japanese minors should be included in the two or three states that (can) become colonisers of the pacific. Along with one Chinese state and - of course - the Khmer Empire!
How about a band of Jesuit or Franciscan or whatever monks who headed off to Japan and somehow converted one of the small warlord states? Then we could have a Catholic state in Japan.... possibly heavily naval oriented, bootstrapped with European shipbuilding tech, a few explorers and an AI file that wants Hawaii and California.....
Sheridan said:
At some point, maybe. But in 1419 it's unlikely, unless we want to radically revise how fast Europeans explore the world.
Oh, of course... I didn't mean in 1419. But that could be the designed fate of one or two of the minor states - I would guess in the south, such as the province including Nagasaki. They could have some events in the late 1500's - early 1600's which would lead to a "Japanese renaissance" of some sort, and conversion to Catholicism and the exploration of the Pacific using European shipbuilding technology.... (simulated by a bunch of huge naval tech boosters...)
The chinrese shipbuilding technology was on par or superior to euroopean shipbuilding tech at that age. Europeans were into navigation and the chinese close their ports and destroyed the shipyards 50 years prior to european arrival. I posted a thread about chinese seapower earlier on
Well, the Chinese may have been advanced to an equal/greater point in the erly 1400's, but I was talking about circa 1600 in Japan, and the technology available in Europe advanced quite a bit in that period....
Sheridan said:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202394
please note that whatever tech in ship building europe has aquired by 1600's was vastly overshadowed by the chinese endeavors as early as 5th - 7th century
Perhaps in size, but technology? Were these massive Chinese trading ships somehow more seaworthy than a circa 1600 English fast galleon, such as Sir Francis Drake's?
I note the fact, too, that nothing is mentioned of long ocean crossings; the areas the Chinese visited would have been reachable mostly by coast-hopping, and while they may have jumped across from Malaya to Ceylon or India to East Africa, that distance pales in comparison to a crossing of the Pacific Ocean - which late 1500's era European ships were capable of. *That* durability - not sheer size - is the technological advantage I was referring to.
After all, the Titanic may have been larger than a WWII Essex-class aircraft carrier, but that does not mean that it was better!
I note the fact, too, that nothing is mentioned of long ocean crossings; the areas the Chinese visited would have been reachable mostly by coast-hopping, and while they may have jumped across from Malaya to Ceylon or India to East Africa, that distance pales in comparison to a crossing of the Pacific Ocean - which late 1500's era European ships were capable of. *That* durability - not sheer size - is the technological advantage I was referring to.
After all, the Titanic may have been larger than a WWII Essex-class aircraft carrier, but that does not mean that it was better!