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Aethilan

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One line summary of your issue
Solved - Version 3.3.3 SOHY - Durham Blocks English Titularity

Game Version
3.3.3 SOHY

What expansions do you have installed?
Jade Dragon, Monks & Mystics, The Reapers Due, Conclave, Horse Lords, Way of Life, Charlemagne, Rajas of India, Sons of Abraham, The Old Gods, The Republic, Legacy of Rome, Sword of Islam, Holy Fury

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
I have independently encountered - and sort of solved - the bug described here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...m-of-england-does-not-become-titular.1191633/

My game version is 3.3.3 / SOHY, the most recent game version as of this writing , so the bug is still active.

Fortunately, I have discovered the bug's cause, and a work-around solution (for those willing to modify their save file).

The cause is the Durham Palatine title, a theocratic duchy title referred to in the game's Title/Region search simply as 'Durham'.

Even if this title has never existed and never been created in a given playthrough, the game still counts it as a de jure vassal of the Kingdom of England. And it does so invisibly. That is to say, none of the in-game lists of vassals of the Kingdom of England will show this title if it has not been created, *but it still counts*.

Consequently, the Kingdom of England will never become titular in certain playthroughs, even if all visible de jure and de facto duchies of the English crown have drifted into other kingdoms. Furthermore, if you are playing with the game rule 'De Jure Requirement: Required', this makes it impossible to hold the Kingdom of England title for long, as the game will register the kingdom as still having 1 de jure vassal (Durham Palatine) and will notice that the player does not own this title, and so will strip the player of the Kingdom of England title for no visible reason.

Solving this can be difficult or impossible in-game. Since this title, per the in-game tool-tip, can only be created by a theocracy, the player cannot directly create it - only an AI ruler could. Furthermore, per the wiki, it is a title which can only be created by a Catholic ruler. If this is accurate (and so far as I have been able to tell via experimentation, it is), the only way to create the title is to get an AI Catholic Bishop to do it for you. If the title is never created, it can never be destroyed, nor can it de jure drift into a kingdom other than England. And since it still invisibly counts as a de jure vassal of England *even without ever having been created*, it will cause the problems described above.

I have confirmed that this is the source of the problem by the simple expedient of opening an uncompressed save file and altering the de_jure_liege of d_durham_palatine to a title other than k_england. This immediately fixed the problems: the Kingdom of England became properly titular, and I was able to hold the title without it disappearing.

Steps to reproduce the issue.
Start a default game in 769. Conquer all of England as a different kingdom, wait 100+ years for all duchies to drift into your other kingdom title. England will appear to have no remaining de jure or de facto members, yet it will not become titular.

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