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I have gone through the rulebook, read the FAQ and searched the topics but still cannot seem to have clarity on attrition. Can someone let me know or point me towards the thread that answers the following:

* Does the number next to the little attrition face indicate how many men are being lost each month..if so then what is the purpose of the color coding if the number is "0" as I noticed it can still change.
* If the + and - in the top attrition popout box (e.g. size +6,supply -10,leader -2) sums to less than zero than does that mean there won't be any attrition...if so why does the color of the face change?
* What does maximum attrition number mean?

Thanks
John
 
All this is explained in full in my FAQ.

However don't use NS 4.x to read it, it has severe bugs that make it NOT SHOW ALL TEXT !

Use IE or the latest Mozilla (NS 6 beta) instead (or any good standards compliant browser instead).
 
There are one or two things about attrition I'm not clear on, so I'll try to clear up SOME of your confusion in the hopes that others might clear up mine.

The number is percentage loss, not number of men.

The color is supply status. You can be out of supply but still be at zero attrition.

Max attrition is highest POSSIBLE percentage loss. Only relevant if your unit size goes over province capacity + leader bonus, I believe.

Now the question I have is: the pop-up on unit attrition lists "below the line" modifiers (terrain, climate, season) as only affecting maximum attrition, but this isn't correct, is it? It SEEMS that these modifiers pull down province capacity as soon as you have 1 man more than capicity + leader. Is this right?
 
Originally posted by Admiral Yi
Now the question I have is: the pop-up on unit attrition lists "below the line" modifiers (terrain, climate, season) as only affecting maximum attrition, but this isn't correct, is it?
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No, not entirely. They are correct in the MAX attrition, but they don't mention the increase they give on the attrition itself.

Winter for instance give +10% Max attrition, which is correctly stated by the popup.
Whet the popup will NOT tell you that spending vinter in hostile territory also increases the actual attrition modifier to +25 !!

Yet again though, this is covered in full in my FAQ!!
 
Originally posted by Huszics


No, not entirely. They are correct in the MAX attrition, but they don't mention the increase they give on the attrition itself.

Winter for instance give +10% Max attrition, which is correctly stated by the popup.
Whet the popup will NOT tell you that spending vinter in hostile territory also increases the actual attrition modifier to +25 !!

Yet again though, this is covered in full in my FAQ!!
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But just to confirm, these below the line modifiers only get tacked onto actual attrition if unit size > supply + leader, correct?
 
Originally posted by Huszics


???

what is a "the below the line modifier" ?
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When you hover cursor over a unit's attrition, you get a list: unit size, supply, leader, then some text talking about max attrition, then a line, then the "below the line" modifiers: climate, terrain, supply, etc.
 
Ok, I think easiest is just to do a cut n paste from my FAQ

"Weight of Unit(s) - Available Supplies = Attrition [in %] each turn of the month"

Available supplies is explained in the table blow this line.

The MAX is (yet again as it sais in the FAQ) the max cap attrition you can get.
The values shown "below the line" are those affecting MAX attition (which are also clearly shown in the FAQ).

Sorry, for beeing repetitive in refering to my FAQ about this, but it's even more repetitive for me to write the same answer again and again =)

As an example:
You have tech level 20 and are in enemy mountain provinces during wither and "cut of" from supply.

10 - 20/5 = 6% max base attrition

modifiers
+ 5 (mountain)
+ 10 (vinter)
+ 10 (cut of)

Total Max attrition % = 6 +5 +10 +10 = 31%.
Obviously though, if you have 10 available "supply points" and a M2 leader, you can keep up to
14.000 troops there at 0 attrition %
15.000 troops there at 1 attrition %
...
45.000+ troops there at 31 attrition %
 
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I have read your site many times. I don't think my question is answered there. I am asking if the modifiers which are listed as only affecting max attrition IN FACT affect ACTUAL attrition if your weight exceeds province supply.
 
Originally posted by randomjgj
Actually Huszics, I found your example more understandable than the FAQ. Perhaps you should include it there.

Thanks,

John J
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Yes, it will be (that's actually why I wrote it =)

I'm just a bit buzzy right now so it might take a few weeks before it's updated =)
 
Originally posted by Admiral Yi
I have read your site many times. I don't think my question is answered there. I am asking if the modifiers which are listed as only affecting max attrition IN FACT affect ACTUAL attrition if your weight exceeds province supply.
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OK, lets try repeating it one more time...

The values shown "below the line" are those affecting MAX attition (which are also clearly shown in the FAQ).

If you still don't get it, sorry I can't help you.
 
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