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Fear509 said:
how is this game run like is it on the medevil game series were you move the units and have a big battle or hearts of iron where you just see some numbers and will naval battles be fought like that.

Most likely like EU/EU2/HOI/Vicky

Paradox works more on the overall diplomacy then the battles, anyways the game would take way to long if you had TW style battles, there are over 1000 provinces.
 
And that's great if I want to play battles I choose MTW. ;)
 
Combat Details

This topic was mentioned on another thread, but no one from Paradox answered, so I will ask again, can a CK player dismount his knights before a battle? Is this one of the tactical choices available with the new battle engine? Like most people on these forums, I dont want CK to have MTW-like battles because thats not the focus of the game. However, it would be really nice if the combat was a bit more spicy than in EUII. Being able to dismount knights would be a great option, as it would not only be historically realistic, but also add more depth to ur decision making as a leader of a dynasty. Imagine having to confront a large army consisting primarily of pikemen, and then surprising them with foot soldiers. Dismounted knights would lose the charge bonus but gain advantages against soldiers that excel against heavy cavalry. I know that the game is probably gold at this point, and no changes will be made now, but if this is not in the game now, and a lot of us post our desire for this option, maybe the guys at paradox would add this in a patch later.
 
I am a semi-lurker on the MTW forums, but I took part in some discussions, including one that had the same subject. Most people agreed that the option for dismounting knights was not the best solution available and while it was fun to dismount them before a great battle, the historical realism was lost forever. You can count in one hand the true knight battles in which they dismounted. But that is not even the point. We are talking about an age which celebrates the individual, the knight as the perfect soldier. No normal knight would have accepted to use the tactics of the lower soldiers without a very good reason, and I mean really good (Poitiers comes in mind, of course).

But this option, however fun it may be, is not possible for a game like GK, which is played on strategic and not tactical level. If we introduce this feature, we should also introduce flanks, army tactics etc..., quite inappropriate
 
i dont understand how it wouldnt be realistic....
there were battles where knights dismoutned as you urself say, and they werent that rare. While english archers were decimating the french cavalry, english knights often dismounted to escape similar fate.
Also, i remmber reading somewhere that CK will have certain tactical options for the players to choose from before battles, so if thats true, its already in, and dismounting would be a great option for this.
 
Quartz Arrow said:
Also, i remmber reading somewhere that CK will have certain tactical options for the players to choose from before battles, so if thats true, its already in, and dismounting would be a great option for this.

Are there tactical options? I don't remember reading anything about this....
 
Quartz Arrow said:
i dont understand how it wouldnt be realistic....
there were battles where knights dismoutned as you urself say, and they werent that rare. While english archers were decimating the french cavalry, english knights often dismounted to escape similar fate.
Also, i remmber reading somewhere that CK will have certain tactical options for the players to choose from before battles, so if thats true, its already in, and dismounting would be a great option for this.

I would be surprised that a Knight would dismount voluntarily. He would be giving up all his advantages and give himself the great disadvantage of bearing all the weight of his armour himself - not to mention reducing himself to the status of a mere footman.

There were battles where knights did fight on foot. But the examples I can think of is where there was no real other choice - eg horses had died - as in the latter part of the third crusade. Or during a siege.
 
crazy canuck said:
I would be surprised that a Knight would dismount voluntarily. He would be giving up all his advantages and give himself the great disadvantage of bearing all the weight of his armour himself - not to mention reducing himself to the status of a mere footman.

There were battles where knights did fight on foot. But the examples I can think of is where there was no real other choice - eg horses had died - as in the latter part of the third crusade. Or during a siege.
Actually this was a tactic used by some countries during the CK era, although perhaps it wasn't wide spread and depended to some degree on the tactics used by the opponent and on the physical location selected for the battle. If the terrain was poor for mounted charges, a noble would wade into battle afoot (surrounded by men at arms and a healthy number of serfs) where his armour would make him more or less invincible unless he was overwhelmed - more or less the modern day tank driving into a line of fusiliers.

As to a more detailed response to your question as to how this is handled in CK, please understand that the NDA is still in effect until the game hits the stores so anyone who knows the answer is prohibitted from supplying it. Not to worry though. A few more weeks and you'll be able to find out for yourself. :cool:

:)
 
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MrT said:
As to a more detaited response to your question as to how this is handled in CK, please understand that the NDA is still in effect until the game hits the stores so anone who knows the answer is prohibitted from supplying it. Not to worry though. A few more weeks and you'll be able to find out for yourself. :cool:

:)

Yet another foiled attempt to get more information. Drats :D
 
Chris1959

As to the historical accuracy of dismounting mounted knights in fairness it was not the normal thing. Obviously knights of all nations would and could fight dismounted.

The nation that utalised this tactic most were the English. At the start of the period the Anglo-Danish Housecarls following Scandinavian tradition fought on foot, and in 1066 were probably the finest infantry in Europe. Following the disaster at Hastings surviving English nobility aped their Norman conquerers and fought on horseback.

It was Edward III of England who adopted the radical technique of using his men at arms dismounted in most actions. The thing to bear in mind was that Edward's army following his overhaul of how he raised his feudal forces was semi-professional. The English men at arms were more willing to adopt tactics that were based on military rather than social standing.

I personally believe that English success in the early part of the 100yrs war was as much due to the revolutionary idea of having your noble men at arms supporting your peasant longbow men as the actual power of the longbow itself, in dismounting his knights Edward had changed them from being the primary shock weapon to the heavy support for his missle assault troops.

When a war destrier cost the modern equivalent of a Ferrari, Porsche etc no self respecting feudal knight was going to dismount because it might be tacticaly more useful. It would only happen when men at arms became more professional than feudal.
 
Marcus Valerius said:
Well, if the betas can't answer our questions, perhaps Johan could spare a moment or two out of his busy schedule? :D
Well sure...which would, of course, delay the actual release of the game since he'd be reading and typing instead of creating installers and burning master CDs for distribution, but I'm sure no one would complain about that...;) :D
 
Chris1959 said:
When a war destrier cost the modern equivalent of a Ferrari, Porsche etc no self respecting feudal knight was going to dismount because it might be tacticaly more useful. It would only happen when men at arms became more professional than feudal.

Good point, since the most crushing defeat of the Swiss pikes from mounted knights came from professional warriors. Some Italian Condottieri took his 'knight'-cavalry force and dismounted them before combat and made them bring their lances, in effect transforming a specialized cavalry troop into an less organized pike formation, but with the advantage of being incredibly better armored than the Swiss force..

(IIRC the result wasn't completely conclusive for some reason, but I can't check specifics right now being at work)
 
MrT said:
burning master CDs for distribution,

LOL :rofl:

Don't forget that he will deliver them personally from his private jet, or maybe he has rented santa's sled (if being off-season for jolly old nick)