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Meshal of Arabia

Prince of Najd
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Tributaries for nomads is amazing, but limiting the tributaries full mechanics to nomads system is a bit off. We should, with all playable governments, to be able to release vassals as tributaries and add a mechanic that allow us to absorb tributaries after a certain time.

Confederation on the other hand is weird. It's just a decision and a defensive alliance. We should have more depth to it, maybe create de jure kingdom instead of the titular kingdom with no de jure titles, more decisions related to trade, defense , or even turn them to an aggressive confederation. Maybe add a tab page that have a confederation elections for a leader (no confederation leader is really disappointing) and act as a single nation. I know that the first crown authority act as what I described, but I also wish for an independent entities that act as one. It sounds lile the HRE system in EU4 and I believe it fits the confederation narrative here!
 
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Even if unlocked for all, confederation should be locked behind certain tradition or innovation.

Edit: I noticed I was disagreed by many. Now anyone plz name 6 feudal confederations. Jungle state confederation like Mandala and Mayapan are of a different government and shall not count as one.
 
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I wish there were ways to try and break up confederations, either as a member or as an outsider. It sucks when you're an independent nomad and you're surrounded by three confederations that all have 5x more troops than you so you're basically sitting around doing nothing watching your fertility meter go down until one of them breaks up.
 
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Why? Its a pretty simple concept
Simple yet uncommon.
In vanilla CK3, the only reasons for many independent feudal dukes and counts to pop up are dissolution faction and liege's title usurped. In these cases it's hard to imagine they may want to form a confederation. An exception could be high kingdom of Ireland, of course could it be fixed with tradition.
If you want to talk about Confederation of cities and bishoprics, you need at least wait for burghers to rise, at least you may need urbanization/guilds/banking.
 
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I wish there were ways to try and break up confederations, either as a member or as an outsider. It sucks when you're an independent nomad and you're surrounded by three confederations that all have 5x more troops than you so you're basically sitting around doing nothing watching your fertility meter go down until one of them breaks up.
Made a proposal about it.
You could handle it like other alliances, for example, in that the ruler you attack has to call in his allies (at no prestige cost, and with +1000 reasons to accept), so, at least, you can take on multiple confederates at the same time, and don‘t have to fight the entire confederation every time for every single confederate part of it you want to take.
 
Even if unlocked for all, confederation should be locked behind certain tradition or innovation.

Edit: I noticed I was disagreed by many. Now anyone plz name 6 feudal confederations. Jungle state confederation like Mandala and Mayapan are of a different government and shall not count

You're right, but it's a game that opens up many possibilities, you decide what happens in it
 
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Even if unlocked for all, confederation should be locked behind certain tradition or innovation.

Edit: I noticed I was disagreed by many. Now anyone plz name 6 feudal confederations. Jungle state confederation like Mandala and Mayapan are of a different government and shall not count as one.











Marriages as alliances were more common in Europe, but political coalitions happened when needed.
Some Islamic and/or Indian realms also started as Confederacies/Coalitions
 
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Marriages as alliances were more common in Europe, but political coalitions happened when needed.
Some Islamic and/or Indian realms also started as Confederacies/Coalitions
  • Tuscan League, Lombard League, Old Swiss Confederation and Pentapolitana were City Confederation.
  • Almoravid was Nomad confederation.
  • Alliances formed by two entities should not be an example of confederation. We could make Charlemagne and Harun al-Rashid blood brothers and it would work even better.
  • Battle of Ain Jalut: Alliance in a war shouldn't be considered a confederation I think, or a Crusader/Jihad Confederation may always spawn. Not quite ideal... Paradox made all of Syria vassal of Mamluk in 1260 in CK2. What's worse, they made two Al-Muzaffars, as father and son.
  • Battle of Civitate. Well, this was... close. But will a coalition during one war last forever? Especially when led by Papal State.
  • Rajputs: I admit they deserve a tradition.
So now we have 3 examples, Ireland, Rajputs and Reddi kingdom.