Consanguinary succession and claims

[KonradRichtmark]

Hulloh!

I'm noticing that in pretty much every game of Deus Vult I've played so far, all the sons of my ruler have gained claims on his primary title. After a few generations of sending secondary sons to rule distant corners of the kingdom and creating new branches of the dynasty, there are few powerful people in my realm who don't have a claim on the throne.

Is this a result of playing with consanguinary succession? I suspect it is, it makes sense in a way. When there's no default successor and every son is a candidate for the throne, every son can plausibly claim to have been unfairly overlooked.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Hulloh!

I'm noticing that in pretty much every game of Deus Vult I've played so far, all the sons of my ruler have gained claims on his primary title. After a few generations of sending secondary sons to rule distant corners of the kingdom and creating new branches of the dynasty, there are few powerful people in my realm who don't have a claim on the throne.

Is this a result of playing with consanguinary succession? I suspect it is, it makes sense in a way. When there's no default successor and every son is a candidate for the throne, every son can plausibly claim to have been unfairly overlooked.

AFAIK only the top 3 of heirs get a claim on the title to which they are heir off

 

[unmerged(7537)]

Their heirs would inherit their claims, however, leading to a situation like the one described above.

But no worries, claims expire after a certain time period.

 

[KonradRichtmark]

AFAIK only the top 3 of heirs get a claim on the title to which they are heir off

Under consanguinary succession only, or under all succession laws?

 

[elDrastico]

all of them, including elective and female succession

 

[unmerged(124674)]

Their heirs would inherit their claims, however, leading to a situation like the one described above.

But no worries, claims expire after a certain time period.

Claims expire? Is it a time period, or triggered by event?

 

[Snaake]

It happens by event, but I suppose there's a minimum age for the claim before it starts firing, and that it would become more probable as time went on.

There's actually several events, the one I've seen most often is "Due to you being such a complete nonentity in the world of power politics, your claim has been laughed away" or some such. It happens to courtiers. Rulers have their own ones, eg. one where you choose between letting the claim expire or gaining +1 BB and losing some prestige I think (you get to keep the claim, but clinging onto it after all that time hurts your reputation and influence).

 

[unmerged(124674)]

Is there a way to fire that for certian claims? I'd love to be able to ditch some of claims my characters have.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Is there a way to fire that for certian claims? I'd love to be able to ditch some of claims my characters have.

No that is not possible

 

[Snaake]

I suppose you could always edit the save file to remove the claims.

 

[unmerged(124674)]

I suppose you could always edit the save file to remove the claims.

Yeah, I'm planing on doing that. I just figured it would be easier to fire the event a bunch of times than to find the code for evey county I want to remove a claim for, look up each of those counties, find my specific claim and delete it.

 

[KonradRichtmark]

Is there a way to fire that for certian claims? I'd love to be able to ditch some of claims my characters have.

Well, indirectly you can. You'd have to go to war against the owner of the title you have a claim on, and then cede the claim in the peace negotiations. Doing so improves your reputation too.

 

[unmerged(124674)]

Well, indirectly you can. You'd have to go to war against the owner of the title you have a claim on, and then cede the claim in the peace negotiations. Doing so improves your reputation too.

While true, that's rather counter productive when the claim is on a vassal's title.