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Nekoluve

Nekoluve

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The Prince: "Great difficulties in seizing the state of the Turk, but, once it is conquered, great ease in holding it."

Machiavelli pointed out that it is difficult to maintain states where the people live in freedom or are governed by a prince and barons, but it is easy to rule states where the people live in slavery or are governed by a prince and his servants. So, once Alexander defeated Darius militarily, he and his Diadochi could stabilize control over these lands. Once the Manchus defeated the Ming army (and its rebels), they could stabilize rule over China. Even though the Manchu population was less than 1% of the Han Chinese, the Qing dynasty lasted about the same amount of time as the Han-ruled Ming dynasty.
 
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Nekoluve said:
The Prince: "Great difficulties in seizing the state of the Turk, but, once it is conquered, great ease in holding it."

Machiavelli pointed out that it is difficult to maintain states where the people live in freedom or are governed by a prince and barons, but it is easy to rule states where the people live in slavery or are governed by a prince and his servants. So, once Alexander defeated Darius militarily, he and his Diadochi could stabilize control over these lands. Once the Manchus defeated the Ming army (and its rebels), they could stabilize rule over China. Even though the Manchu population was less than 1% of the Han Chinese, the Qing dynasty lasted about the same amount of time as the Han-ruled Ming dynasty.
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What is the difference between "governed by prince and barons" and "governed by prince and his servants"?
Also, what you described is more inline with Paradox's Serfdom vs Free subject axis (even if it is a non-sensical scale)
 
Wildrake said:
What is the difference between "governed by prince and barons" and "governed by prince and his servants"?
Also, what you described is more inline with Paradox's Serfdom vs Free subject axis (even if it is a non-sensical scale)
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Servants are only responsible to the prince, are not hereditary, and can only be appointed by the prince, while barons have their own hereditary fiefs.
 
Home Rule Expectation
Maybe this could be implemented by introducing a new stat we can call something like "autonomy expectation", "home rule expectation" or "independence expectation".
Could apply to location/province itself, to pops within location, or to pops belonging to a given culture.
Would decrease overtime for pops/locations/cultures ruled by distant courts or foreign cultures, while inversely would increase when ruled by nearby court or similar culture. Would need to move very slowly over time, and have a noticeable increase when newly annexed.
Could affect rebel joining stats, independence movements, satisfaction, and/or control stats.
Thoughts?
 
Nekoluve said:
That would overlap with the concept of control. It should be set to change only in the long term, because here, whether the local residents accept the rule depends on the tradition and the strength of the local forces, which cannot be changed instantly when conquering.
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Fair point. Going back to your title, if it's only about coring cost, then maybe the jump when annexed doesn't make sense. Trying to expand the idea and generalize it to affect other areas, e.g. rebel joining stats, it would make sense for it to have some jump. Definitely the predominant effect should be long term change though.
 
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