Couple of Oddities

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1) Have you ever seen the error "Invalid tag 'participant = {' in line xxx" when running one of your scenarios? The line referenced was in the alliances section; and

2) When starting the scenario, the game would tell me it had errors, let me ignore, and then the scenario started and ran fine. Anybody have any idea of what kind of errors the game might flag but be able to cope with anyway?

 

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I have never had this problem, or any other save the infamous crash to desktop with version 1.07, before downloading 1.09.

Did you edit your files in any way?

 

[Savant]

Could be wrong but I have had similar

erros and they are almost always involving national tags and missing data in different files.

If I was to hazard a guess I would say you need to run the patch for the ICG before playing. This is a little auto-install editor tool that changes entries in files that the program uses to identify nations, etc.

 

[State Machine]

I have seen that error, but it couldn't recover in my case. I did an experiment to see if I could declare HOL a major back in 1492, so that when it revolted into existence I could see its ledger info. The game did not like that one.

Could an inactive country's tag be in an alliance? Using HOL, again, could it be defined in some alliance? I am assuming this is your own scenario, not a downloadable one - they don't have any of these problems (well, the IGC doesn't).

Savant - in Knights regalia now. When are you going back to your "Doge" threads?

 

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Replies

Interesting replies one and all. Thanks.

1) Yes, it is my own scenario. I'm butchering the IGC_1492.inc file for my own scenario. I've already run the patch.

2) By inactive country, do you mean a country not defined in the inc file? I can check that.

3) So it could be missing data somewhere? I see a major print job looming.

4) If there were a bracket missing, the whole thing would hang, right? So I'm not looking for that kind of error. I'm looking for a minor data anomaly.

It should be an intriguing scenario when I'm done. Some things aren't working quite the way I predicted they would.

 

[State Machine]

Re: Replies

Originally posted by fpolli
Interesting replies one and all. Thanks.

1) Yes, it is my own scenario. I'm butchering the IGC_1492.inc file for my own scenario. I've already run the patch.

2) By inactive country, do you mean a country not defined in the inc file? I can check that.

3) So it could be missing data somewhere? I see a major print job looming.

4) If there were a bracket missing, the whole thing would hang, right? So I'm not looking for that kind of error. I'm looking for a minor data anomaly.

It should be an intriguing scenario when I'm done. Some things aren't working quite the way I predicted they would.

2. Inactive meaning a country owns or controls provinces when the scenario begins. An "active" country will have a section starting with "country = {
tag = "
If an alliance had a reference to a country that did not have this section you might get what you see.

3. I recall that there is a utility for verifying scenario files. Check Huszic's site.

4. I agree, a missing bracket would probably not be recoverable by EU.

 

[Savant]

Those brackets are devils!

Yuppers State, just moseying along and sampling EU1 crests as I await the crests for EU2.

 

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Found It

Had some fun perusing 112 pages of inc file. When I was deleting the clutter left over after the IGC config did its thing, I inadvertently deleted a couple of lines in Denmark and Sweden that left several provinces controlled by those states, with city definitions for those states, but not OWNED by anybody. Copy the province numbers from controlled and add to owned, and voila! No more errors.

Thanks for the input, guys.

 

[State Machine]

Re: Found It

Originally posted by fpolli
Had some fun perusing 112 pages of inc file. When I was deleting the clutter left over after the IGC config did its thing, I inadvertently deleted a couple of lines in Denmark and Sweden that left several provinces controlled by those states, with city definitions for those states, but not OWNED by anybody. Copy the province numbers from controlled and add to owned, and voila! No more errors.

Thanks for the input, guys.

Great! I assume that is all ok, now.

 

[State Machine]

Cherchez la femme, and all that...

Originally posted by Savant
Yuppers State, just moseying along and sampling EU1 crests as I await the crests for EU2.

I may have temporarily surpassed you in posts, but I've divined from some posts somewhere that you have scored a beta slot. If I am correct, interrogate the developers about all things economic, and when the NDA is not applicable anymore (if that is possible), give me the word.

Cheers.

 

[Savant]

You are heads and shoulders above me on

understanding those subtleties State. But I will do my best. Fortunately there is at least one economist with a graduate degree among the beta testers and he is someone I hope to help me get a better idea of actual economics during the time as well as come to grips with the EU economic model.

I know I said it before, but you would be an ideal beta tester.

As to humours... well, there are several different taxonomies of personality using a constitutional basis. Sanguine, Choleric, and Phlegmatic are one such but there are many others though research has been disappointing in associating such categories with actual behavioral differences. Despite that, they appear intuitive and do provide a sense of order for me, that maybe illusionary, still is some solace (Sola?) in the complex world we live in.

 

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Another Question

What types of problems with a scenario would cause a game that loads fine and runs for a little while to dump to the desktop? I am baffled. I made some minor changes to Spain, after which the scenario dumps within one year every time. I changed Spain BACK to what it was before, when everything ran fine, and it still dumps. Any ideas on what types of things I should be looking for in my inc file?

 

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Possible Clue

It appears to crash when the first war breaks out.

 

[State Machine]

Re: You are heads and shoulders above me on

Originally posted by Savant
I know I said it before, but you would be an ideal beta tester.

You're too kind, good sir. Drop a few discrete references to me in your beta test communiques, eh.

No help, fpolli. The problem sounds familiar (i.e. I've read posts about something like it). The best thing to do his contact Gen. Suvorov. Go to his web site and the email button (whereever it might be).

 

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Tease

Originally posted by Savant
As to humours... well, there are several different taxonomies of personality using a constitutional basis. Sanguine, Choleric, and Phlegmatic are one such but there are many others though research has been disappointing in associating such categories with actual behavioral differences. Despite that, they appear intuitive and do provide a sense of order for me, that maybe illusionary, still is some solace (Sola?) in the complex world we live in.

You left one out! Curses. It's a wierd blind spot with me, I am totally incapable of remembering what the humours are or what they mean.

Taking advantage of this totally off topic post. I read "Deus Lo Volt!" per your recommendation. Fantastic! Put me off for a while as I was expecting a first person novel, but got quite captured by it, then it turned into a first person account. Really quite good. For a similar thing, check out Jane Smiley's "Greenlanders". It's a very haunting (fictional) account of the latter days of the Nordic settlement in Greenland in the 1400s. Both have a common denominator of being written in the style you would expect of the times.

Ooh, and while I'm at it. The many Scandanavian members of the forum will appreciate this. Check out Sigrid Unsted. She has written historical fiction set in (mostly) Norway of the 1100s and 1200s. Magnificent. The "Kristen Lavransdatter" series (got her a Nobel prize) is horrible. The first book is great, but Kristen is such a ditz that it's intolerable - couldn't get through the second book. The "Master of Hestviken" series is my favorite. It is truely beautiful. Consider that it is a translation from Norwegian to English - it is the most profoundly beautiful English, honestly, the best English prose I have ever read. Warning - it is very depressing. My father was not an emotional man, but when he was reading this series, he would pause at points, and wipe away his tears and say, "poor Olaf, I didn't think he could suffer any more, but now..." Mercifly, the third of the four books is an interlude, giving you the strength to finish the series.

 

[BiB]

It could be a flaw in the file which doesn't cause instantly but once it is directly affected by gameplay it does. IIRC Milan for example in the IGC is set as both a Spanish and Milan province. Now that won't make the game crash from the start but it can cause trouble later on.