"Create title" no more possible?

[unmerged(6498)]

I've 3 reign titles, plus 18 duke titles (assigned to 18 vassals); I can create new duke title with my new territorial conquest, but the command "create title" is grayed and no longer selectable.

Why? There is a number limit to title that can be created?

I've 1.03b

 

[lenny]

You need to have land belonging to any uncreated title in your personal demesne to have the create title option available. Check FAQ for this and other good to know facts about the CK engine.

 

[unmerged(6498)]

You need to have land belonging to any uncreated title in your personal demesne to have the create title option available. Check FAQ for this and other good to know facts about the CK engine.

Ok, thanks.

Passage from patch is somewhat dramatic

How can I plan my future conquest if I can't see possible claim to "partially conquest" reign?

However is not a bug. thanks for your suggests!

 

[SonofWinter]

You need to have land belonging to any uncreated title in your personal demesne to have the create title option available. Check FAQ for this and other good to know facts about the CK engine.

No, you do not Lenny. Please don't respond with incorrect info or the poor guy will get confused.

Personal demense and vassals are all fine, for control limits, and I do believe that vassals of a vassal also count. You have to control 66 percent of any title. That means 4 out of 5, in certain duchies, because 3 out of 5 is only 60%. So, pull out a calculator and go for it.

 

[lenny]

No, you do not Lenny. Please don't respond with incorrect info or the poor guy will get confused.

Personal demense and vassals are all fine, for control limits, and I do believe that vassals of a vassal also count. You have to control 66 percent of any title. That means 4 out of 5, in certain duchies, because 3 out of 5 is only 60%. So, pull out a calculator and go for it.

Care to read the original post again?

I've 3 reign titles, plus 18 duke titles (assigned to 18 vassals); I can create new duke title with my new territorial conquest, but the command "create title" is grayed and no longer selectable.

Why? There is a number limit to title that can be created?

I've 1.03b

The problem is not that ubik3 does not have the land necessary to create a new title, but that the option to do so is not available. That happens when you do not have land belonging to an uncreated title in you personal demesne.

You do not believe me? Well, start a 1066 game as King of Germany. Lots of titles can be created from his realm but as the King does not have land belonging to any of these the option can not be chosen.

 

[SonofWinter]

Guess again Lenny. Maybe, its because someone else has already claimed the title and even though they don't own the land anymore, they still hold the title. Example, the Duke of Galich. The King of Hungary has 2 of the 3 titles required to creat that title, but he can't. Why? Because the Current Duke of Galich has the title. And even taking the 3rd province for the title, will not win you the title, you have to either win the Duke title with a lot of prestige or you have to annihilate the Duke into extinction, player's choice.

 

[lenny]

The King of Hungary has 2 of the 3 titles required to creat that title, but he can't. Why? Because the Current Duke of Galich has the title. And even taking the 3rd province for the title, will not win you the title, you have to either win the Duke title with a lot of prestige or you have to annihilate the Duke into extinction, player's choice.

In this situation, usurping the title is the way to go (if you cannot/don't want to destroy the title holder). No BB and far less prestige cost.

Maybe, its because someone else has already claimed the title and even though they don't own the land anymore, they still hold the title.

That is of course another possible reason for the option to be not available. Please excuse that I forgot it.
Also, Muslims sometimes use the same tag as Christian so this problem might also arise while crusading.

 

[SonofWinter]

I'm a fool. I just remembered why my titles did not create when I wanted them.

I spent all the money and I could not create title, because I lacked the cash.

But I guarantee you do not need to own all the provinces in your own demense, unless you want to try and hold 66% of the Rus provinces. I never had to.

 

[Swuul]

Maybe, its because someone else has already claimed the title and even though they don't own the land anymore, they still hold the title.

Errr... what? If the title is already created it does not appear in the "Create title" list at all. Son of Winter, you are are apparently confusing matters here with something else, but I can't say what

Lenny is 100% correct in his first post in this thread. I suggest to those who have troubles with the greyed-out titles to ignore everything written after that post, and read the FAQ instead on the main page

 

[SonofWinter]

You are in error on this one Jarkko. I was creating titles just last night. For a count. I gave her, both the count titles and then I hit, create title. Then I gave it to her.

It was her personal demense, not mine, but I did it anyways.

 

[tombom]

As long as you have one province in your personal demense that is part of an uncreated title, you can create any unclaimed title that you can claim through your vassals. This is what lenny said.

 

[Cagliostro]

Yes, you need to have at least ONE province in an unclaimed title - but if you do have that province in any unclaimed title, you can then claim any title you are eligible for, even if you don't have any provinces in any of the ones you're claiming. Kinda buggy.

 

[Swuul]

You are in error on this one Jarkko. I was creating titles just last night. For a count. I gave her, both the count titles and then I hit, create title. Then I gave it to her.

It was her personal demense, not mine, but I did it anyways.

Well, either your program is buggy, or your memory fails you

 

[Grosshaus]

I've hear rumors of a bug regarding this matter, just like SonOfWinter wrote. Haven't tested though.

 

[Solmyr]

Lenny and Jarkko are correct.

Here it is in simple (hopefully) terms:
- if your personal demesne includes a province that is part of *any* uncreated title, you can create any yet-uncreated title of which there is at least 66% within your *realm* (even if none are part of your personal demesne)
- as soon as your personal demesne has no provinces that are part of any uncreated title, you cannot create any new titles, even if there is 66% of them within your realm

As said, one way to test this is to start as King of Germany. Initially he has no uncreated titles of which his personal demesne is part. However, he can revoke the county of Aargau (or another county in the Swiss area), which is part of the uncreated duchy of Schweiz. That will make Create Title option available, and the King will be able to create e.g. Steiermark, Luxembourg, Brabant, etc, as long as they haven't been created yet. However, as soon as he creates Schweiz, he will again no longer be able to create those other ones.

 

[unmerged(20462)]

Yeah, I have the same experience... It happened to me once playing as the Duke of Upper Lorraine that I was conquering provinces in Spain to become the King of Aragon, and then my liege - King of Germany came, took one province, and waited until I got the rest of 66% of provinces, and then declared himself the King of Aragon... He could do it because he had one province, and I was his vassal... I couldn't do it, becasue I was still missing one province...

 

[Benjamin]

ARGH!

I've been playing a Luxembourg, finally got Lower Lorraine in my titles, and wanted to create Duke of Holland, but never could. If I had only revoked a title, I could have! GRRR! I was searching through every ruler to see who had the title so I could usurp it, and couldn't find it. Figured some Russian count had inherited it somehow that I didn't see...

Thanks for the info.

 

[blomberg]

Actually, my experience is similar to SonOfWinter's...but not consistently. My examply is being Duke of Provence. Within my realm, but not within my personal demense, I have 2 of the 3 provinces to create Duke of Dauphine. Sometimes I have the Create Title greyed out, other times its not. I've checked all around and no one else has the title - just that its sometimes there to be made and sometimes not....

 

[SonofWinter]

Jacwiecz - my grand daughter

I claim title of Bresty, so that I can take it to create the Duchy of Turov, which by the way does not own the province of Turov, but I digress.

I attempt to vassalize the Count of Bresty as my armies march on his lands.

BOOM, I wasted all those fine points and he agrees to be my vassal.

I try to create title, but I only have 74 gp, I wait 2 months. I have 103 gp, I hit create title.

I am now Prince of Turov and Plotsk. So, our friend either did not have the 66% or he did not have cash to create the title. But there is no bug, I have just tested it, 2 minutes before I started this post.

More than likely, our friend had 3/5 provinces for a title. Unfortunately, that only means that he had 60%, a lot of people are not doing the math or forget that creating titles costs cash, which is why I think they post it here. I have heard that for Kingdom titles it might require 75%, but I have yet to test that theory.

I will let you all know after I conquer the rest of Lithuania. But I have to wait until the Byz Emperor dies first, seems that I purely by accident, asked the Emperor to make me his vassal. So, I plan to be the next Chief of the Greeks, with a name like Rurikovich, hehe. Considering making it an AAR. What does everyone think. A Russian Prince on the Throne of Byzantium.

 

[lenny]

I claim title of Bresty, so that I can take it to create the Duchy of Turov, which by the way does not own the province of Turov, but I digress.

I attempt to vassalize the Count of Bresty as my armies march on his lands.

BOOM, I wasted all those fine points and he agrees to be my vassal.

I try to create title, but I only have 74 gp, I wait 2 months. I have 103 gp, I hit create title.

I am now Prince of Turov and Plotsk. So, our friend either did not have the 66% or he did not have cash to create the title. But there is no bug, I have just tested it, 2 minutes before I started this post.

Did you have other land belonging to Turov in your personal demesne?

Did you have land belonging to any other uncreated title (Lithuania maybe) in your personal demesne?

Was the create title option available before you vassalized Bresty, or did it only become available afterwards?

More than likely, our friend had 3/5 provinces for a title. Unfortunately, that only means that he had 60%, a lot of people are not doing the math or forget that creating titles costs cash, which is why I think they post it here. I have heard that for Kingdom titles it might require 75%, but I have yet to test that theory.

Also for King title 2/3 of the provinces are enough.