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Christian Iberians

Given a sizable help Iberians such as Asturias can get from Eire they could trade their wealth of knowledge about the new world (mezo and South America) to eire for helping out with migration should cordoba be less than tolerant of cristians in iberia.

The migration could take place at first to Eire and then to a determined set of colonies in Brazil. Eire and These Iberians then would propose a treaty of tordesillas among themselves where The iberians get South America and Eire gets MezoAmerica.
 
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tarakan said:
Given a sizable help Iberians such as Asturias can get from Eire they could trade their wealth to eire for heloping out with migration should cordoba be less than tolerant of cristians in iberia.

The migration coudl take place at first to Eire and then to a determined set of colonies in Brazil.
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This already happens a bit with Porto. We probably don't want Eire to get too much out of it, though - they do well enough as it is.

Eire's colonial policies still haven't been settled, but I really want to move away from the whole 'Eire = Portugal' thing that seems to have happened with the AI file. It's possible they'll go for Brazil, but I don't think it'll be their primary target.
 
They would form a new State. An Iberian State in the tip of Brazil or in Argentina. with capital in Americas. With Amerigo-Iberian culture (To prevent cordoba from gaining easy foothold)

Basically it would create a strong presence in Americas of a european power with capital in the americas
 
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This is kind of a parallel to the Portugese court moving to Brazil after the conquest by Spain. That never really made it in to Vanilla, so expressing it in Aberration seems quite poetic.

It would be tricky to run, because the ai doesn't explore or colonise in a very predictable way, and there are no commands to give a country knowledge of somewhere. But we can give it a try.

This concept has also been discussed in a similar fashion in regards to Immigrants from Iberia flooding through Eire to its colonies.

Maybe it could be expressed through an event. Note there would be a matching event for several provinces, so that Eire would get the event even if it owned only one province in South America/Brazil area. This event would be slept if Eire failed to send aid to Oporto.

event = {
id = 333999
trigger = {
owned = { province = 203 data = -1 }
NOT = { exists = OPORTO TAG }
}
random = no
country = EIR
name = "Refugees from Iberia"
desc = "Despite our support for the valiant catholics in Iberia they have been overrun by the moors. Moorish repression is leading to more and more of them arriving in Eire, with rising tensions in the croded cities. With our discovery of the new world, the agin Duke of Oporto has urged us to commit one of the provinces there to be a colony for his people, a new home while they await the chance to retake their homeland. Should we support this idea?"

action_a = {
name = "Allow the Iberians to settle in south america"
command = { type = population which = 203 value = 10000 }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 203 value = iberian }
command = { type = cash value = -200 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Don't support this idea"
command = { type = population which = 232 value = 4000 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 334000 }
}
}

Event 334000 would then trigger (unless slept) within the next two years which would establish the province as Oporto, a vassal in South America under Eire. With its own new event lines etc.

Just an idea.
 
I would make a new culture so Cordoba does not have a foothold in the new world for nothing with the iberian culture
 
tarakan said:
I would make a new culture so Cordoba does not have a foothold in the new world for nothing with the iberian culture
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Cordoba would still have to conquer such a place, which would probably cost more BB than it's worth, as well as convert the people. If anything, other Catholic powers would get more of a benefit by DAing the country, and in colonial cities, the culture would soon change to fit whoever took it over anyway. I've put this on the list of culture requests, but I don't think it would be a very high priority.
 
Stick with the colony/vassal being Iberian. Incompetant's analysis is probably accurate. In SP, sure, another foothold if they want to bust open the BB chest and damn the crossbow bolts. A stupid ai might do it. But the province(s) won't be especially valuable, because if Eire is going to set up this Iberia-in-exile they are going to grant them difficult land, nothing rich or strategic that other powers will desire.

If we want we can always say that these emigres, whileIberian, have such an abiding hatred of the moors that should they be conquered by them, the province culture immediately changes to anything, even Gaelic, to express their preference for that country to rule them instead.
 
Personally, I think that the Eire AI file should be tweeked to prefer colonization to the west, rather than the south - the Northern European powers always looked toward America and the fabled Northwest Passage even after Portugal opened up the around-Africa route to the East. Then we can leave the later explorer-countries access to the South Atlantic and such....

The Portuguese-refugee idea could still work with somewhere on the American coast - say Massachusetts, which IRL has a decent Portuguese population today - or we could have a series of events where Irish colonies have revolts by the Portuguese settlers or against them by the Irish settlers, leading to a possible early-colonial revolter.
 
Should they be then "Los Estados Unidos" :) or should they be the ones to try to work the maya into christiandom.
 
I think the idea about iberian christians being missionaries trying to convert the indians to chrisrendom is a great idea. It would create consequences for Eire if they grant land to iberian refugees.
 
There may be a "United Colonies" revolter or such... but that wasn't what I was thinking. I was thinking something more along the lines of "New Portugal"... which might itself be much more naval-oriented than a Northern-settled group of colonies, and which would have Iberian culture despite originally being Irish colonies....
 
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