I don't know if a Norse-Gael culture is included in CK2. If not is it at all modable?
It's a small thing in a tiny part of the world but it would please me.
It's a small thing in a tiny part of the world but it would please me.
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If CK 2 is as moddable as EU 3 is, as it most likely is, adding cultures is as easy as adding a line of text to a few files.
Yeah in CK1 The Isles are Norwegian culture but the actual culture of the time was Norse-Gael which was a Syncretism of both Gaelic and Norse culture which was particular to the Isles of Scotland, Man and parts of Ireland ( Dublin Region)
Well, there are several cultures that could be added, like Frisian and Carinthian and so on... so culture mods will probably pop up relatively quickly after release.
I know it sounds pedantic but it is kind of a big deal with regards to the history of Scotland.
The Lordship of the Isles was an Independent Kingdom with it's own culture and was often at odds with the Scottish crown sometimes dare I say it even siding with the English.
I also noticed in a Let's Play that the Isles are De Jure Scottish. Considering that The Lordship off the Isles was Independant till 15th century I think that should possibly be changed.
In fact perhaps the title Ri Innse Galle [ King of the Isles ]perhaps should be included.
If all this can be modded then I can amuse my obsession on my own
Cheers.
The Lordship of the Isles was an Independent Kingdom with it's own culture and was often at odds with the Scottish crown sometimes dare I say it even siding with the English.
I also noticed in a Let's Play that the Isles are De Jure Scottish. Considering that The Lordship off the Isles was Independant till 15th century I think that should possibly be changed.
In fact perhaps the title Ri Innse Galle [ King of the Isles ]perhaps should be included.
If all this can be modded then I can amuse my obsession on my own
Cheers.
There might be a titular kingdom of (Man and) the Isles at various starting points, just like there are titular kingdoms like Galicia, Navarra and Cyprus.
Wait, wait.. Sweden is split between the Cultures of Swedish and Norse? Are you sure you're not thinking about the Catholic/Norse religious divide? The Danish/Swedish/Norwegian divide hadn't even really developed by the start of the game and is more there for the lines it developed into late-game, so if that divide is in there then it should be fairly prominent throughout Scandinavia and then gradually split up.
I don't think he meant Norse and Swedish i might but wrong i thought he was saying Norse and the native Sami cultures.
I know it sounds pedantic but it is kind of a big deal with regards to the history of Scotland.
The Lordship of the Isles was an Independent Kingdom with it's own culture and was often at odds with the Scottish crown sometimes dare I say it even siding with the English.
I also noticed in a Let's Play that the Isles are De Jure Scottish. Considering that The Lordship off the Isles was Independant till 15th century I think that should possibly be changed.
In fact perhaps the title Ri Innse Galle [ King of the Isles ]perhaps should be included.
If all this can be modded then I can amuse my obsession on my own
Cheers.
Ah! Just wanted to say that I am a fan of the area, I've played tons of games with the Kingdom of the Isles on modded CK 1.
I don't know if they will make a norse-gaelic culture, but it would be definetely awesome.
Speaking of which, Spinoza, is there a book about the subject that you would like to suggest me?
If adding an extra de jure kingdom is ruled out, then it might be better to have the Lordship of the Isles as part of the de jure kingdom of Ireland, so that it is separate to Scotland. After all the Islesmen had many links with their kinsmen in Ulster with many families spanning the Irish sea.
It's not gonna happen in vanilla. The Isles are about four provinces, which is too small for a King-level title in vanilla. They can't be no-Kingdom titles in vanilla because the devs have decided that every province should be in a de jure Kingdom and Duchy.
That said it should be trivial to mod in.
Nick
I know it sounds pedantic but it is kind of a big deal with regards to the history of Scotland.
The Lordship of the Isles was an Independent Kingdom with it's own culture and was often at odds with the Scottish crown sometimes dare I say it even siding with the English.
I also noticed in a Let's Play that the Isles are De Jure Scottish. Considering that The Lordship off the Isles was Independant till 15th century I think that should possibly be changed.
In fact perhaps the title Ri Innse Galle [ King of the Isles ]perhaps should be included.
If all this can be modded then I can amuse my obsession on my own
Cheers.
You are going to have to mod this in. 100% of Scottish born developers surveyed didn't think this to be the most important facet of Scottish history during the period.
Highlanders: A History of the Gaels by John MacLeod is an excellent and accessible book for an introduction to the Lords of the Isles.
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100% being you ? ;P
Actually that statement gives more of an insight into "Scottish" history than you may have intended.
Anyway what do I know I'm just descended from Teuchters.
I'd just like to add that I really appreciate all your comments. I also appreciate the fabulous amount of work of the developers clearly on display .This issue is in no way a gamebreaker for me and after watching most of the LP's looks set to be a fantastic game.
I know it sounds pedantic but it is kind of a big deal with regards to the history of Scotland.
The Lordship of the Isles was an Independent Kingdom with it's own culture and was often at odds with the Scottish crown sometimes dare I say it even siding with the English.
I also noticed in a Let's Play that the Isles are De Jure Scottish. Considering that The Lordship off the Isles was Independant till 15th century I think that should possibly be changed.
In fact perhaps the title Ri Innse Galle [ King of the Isles ]perhaps should be included.
If all this can be modded then I can amuse my obsession on my own
Cheers.
You're certainly not the only one who feels that the portrayal of Gaelic and Gall-Gaidheal kingdoms could be improved. Ideally I'd like to create a mod that successfully imitates the dynamic interplay that existed between Gaelic, Gall-Gaidheal, Cumbric, Scots, Norse, and later Anglo-Norman (and eventually English) forces that existed during that period.
There's also plenty of possibilities for such a mod to allow for ahistoric, but plausible outcomes. For instance Brian Bóruma is given the title Imperator Scotorum in the Book of Armagh, the intended meaning being roughly "Emperor of the Gaels." This was more an indication of his own perception rather than reality, but it would also be a fun aim for the player to try and recreate. Or what if Alan and Thomas of Galloway had been successful in their ventures to settle the Irish lands granted to them by the English King John? Or the ramifications of a victory by Somhairle at the battle of Renfrew (particularly if we take the position that his intent was to challenge the King of Scots rather than merely being a reaction to Anglo-Norman settlement in traditional Gall Gaidheal coastal areas).
R.A. McDonald's The Kingdom of the Isles and the first half Richard Oram's The Lordship of Galloway are excellent introductions to the Isles and Western Coastal regions of Scotland during the Crusader Kings time period. They're Academic works that presuppose a certain amount of background knowledge on the area in question, but both works give a decent overview of the geopolitical machinations that existed in the region.
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Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure that Robert the Bruce thought it was an important issue when he was trying to persuade the (autonomous) Lord Ronald of the Isles to give him support in his war against the English. In fact, the intricate diplomacy between Robert the Bruce and the islanders is one of the more interesting aspects of the Wars of Independence, I would say.
100% being you ? ;P
Actually that statement gives more of an insight into "Scottish" history than you may have intended.
Anyway what do I know I'm just descended from Teuchters.
Darkrenown is also a Scotsman.