Now that Sergei has revealed a really exciting part of CK, one which many of us had been anticipating, I'd like to open to discussion the relationship between cultures, dynasties and religion.
How do you think these three factors should interact in Crusader Kings? We already know that the "state" culture might change, just like the province culture can, if the player conquers a land far larger than his original holdings.
* Yet what about the dynasty culture? Consider Normans, having settled in Northern France, they were slowly assimilated and after a mere generation, most of them were speaking French. This is, IMHO, quite something different than the state culture, as the very nobility (and not just the methods of their governance) had changed. After the conquest of England by William, one can argue that the Normans were Anglicized as much as England was Normanized.
* Another question I'd like to see answered is how religion will affect cultures and specifically the alteration of cultures. I'll try to explain this by another historical example:
1. Certain Oguz (Turkic) clans, led by the Seljuk dynasty, were of the "Altaic" culture initially (see the other thread on Sub-Cultures by Sergei, there it's referred to as Altaic / Nomadic / Turkic by various posters) Many of them, save for the ruling family, had "pagan" beliefs.
2. Once they began the conquest of Khorasan and other Persian provinces, the ruling dynasty became more and more "Persian" (or Saracen if you will, though it seems like nobody wants to use that term in CK) The conversion to Islam was an ongoing process for the clans ruled by Seljuks, but overtime most had become Muslims.
3. After the Battle of Menzikert (1071) thousands of Turks began settling Asia Minor. A new dynasty of Seljuks was established and ruled much of Anatolia from their capital at Konya. Most of their subjects were Greeks or Hellenized Anatolians. However, the very culture of the ruling dynasty also changed, heavily borrowing from the Byzantine tradition before them (one can also see this pattern in the Ottoman state) Rum Seljuks, the name of the new dynasty--which meant Roman Seljuks in Turkish, had taken characteristics of Greek culture on top of Persian / Islamic and Altaic / Turkic.
The catch here is that the very last culture they had been in contact with was of a different monotheist religion---but still managed to alter Seljuks substantially. We can also observe a similar process in Sicily and Iberia, both places where various cultures co-existed and at times intermingled despite the difference in religion.
How do you think these three factors should interact in Crusader Kings? We already know that the "state" culture might change, just like the province culture can, if the player conquers a land far larger than his original holdings.
* Yet what about the dynasty culture? Consider Normans, having settled in Northern France, they were slowly assimilated and after a mere generation, most of them were speaking French. This is, IMHO, quite something different than the state culture, as the very nobility (and not just the methods of their governance) had changed. After the conquest of England by William, one can argue that the Normans were Anglicized as much as England was Normanized.
* Another question I'd like to see answered is how religion will affect cultures and specifically the alteration of cultures. I'll try to explain this by another historical example:
1. Certain Oguz (Turkic) clans, led by the Seljuk dynasty, were of the "Altaic" culture initially (see the other thread on Sub-Cultures by Sergei, there it's referred to as Altaic / Nomadic / Turkic by various posters) Many of them, save for the ruling family, had "pagan" beliefs.
2. Once they began the conquest of Khorasan and other Persian provinces, the ruling dynasty became more and more "Persian" (or Saracen if you will, though it seems like nobody wants to use that term in CK) The conversion to Islam was an ongoing process for the clans ruled by Seljuks, but overtime most had become Muslims.
3. After the Battle of Menzikert (1071) thousands of Turks began settling Asia Minor. A new dynasty of Seljuks was established and ruled much of Anatolia from their capital at Konya. Most of their subjects were Greeks or Hellenized Anatolians. However, the very culture of the ruling dynasty also changed, heavily borrowing from the Byzantine tradition before them (one can also see this pattern in the Ottoman state) Rum Seljuks, the name of the new dynasty--which meant Roman Seljuks in Turkish, had taken characteristics of Greek culture on top of Persian / Islamic and Altaic / Turkic.
The catch here is that the very last culture they had been in contact with was of a different monotheist religion---but still managed to alter Seljuks substantially. We can also observe a similar process in Sicily and Iberia, both places where various cultures co-existed and at times intermingled despite the difference in religion.
