Defense Mode/Guard and melee

[Yig1015]

Is Defense Mode intended to effect melee? It says clearly harder to hit in general but after having odd situations of 90% hit chance melee attacks missing (which shouldnt be possible with the graze system providing up to 25% chance). We know the rocket hammer can graze and we tested it out thouroughly showing that entering defense mode does not modify the chance to hit display on the screen for melee but it does for ranged. Not sure if this is a display bug. Because assuming it is, that would explain why a 90% chance hit could miss. Reducing it by 25 and giving a 25 graze chance making it a 10% chance to miss. Sorry about the cluster of text, posting this on my phone.

Edit: On PS4 version.

 

[Dreepa]

I had 100% casts fail. Does the game have something like a fumble roll?

 

[Yig1015]

It has fumble but i am fairly certain what happened wasnt a fumble. Its possible. Im just curious why defense mode doesnt detail it doesnt effect melee if that is the case.

 

[Vind7]

Defense mode affect all attacks including melee.Test this with paragon fanatic loaded with one -20% evasion mod - enemy will get 5% chance to hit and melee will miss often.

 

[Yig1015]

Sorry, im not entirly following your process here. All i know is when i attack a target in defense mode and press the touch pad for more info it does not display any reduction in chance to hit. If you could detail more what u tested and what factored into that would be awesome. That or a screenshot of more info showing defense mode actually being taken into consideration for melee.

 

[Vind7]

Then you target enemy with alt on PC version you can see chances to hit and enemy defenses like -25% defense mode -40% long range etc.This info is shown on PC version maybe on PS4 version this isnt the case. Point is defense mode adds defense 25-50% depending on unit defense type.

 

[Yig1015]

Yes, we can see that. But in all cases i have checked melee attacks do not factor defense mode against it. If i use a ranged attack on the same target i can see a -25% for defense mode but not for melee. Likely a graphical bug then if you are varifying you have seen it show up for pure melee weapon attacks.

Thats why i was curious if you could provide a screen shot of it applying to a melee attack.

 

[wingren013]

Then you target enemy with alt on PC version you can see chances to hit and enemy defenses like -25% defense mode -40% long range etc.This info is shown on PC version maybe on PS4 version this isnt the case. Point is defense mode adds defense 25-50% depending on unit defense type.

It does? How do you set it to show that? I just see the hit chances.

 

[Elgareth]

It does? How do you set it to show that? I just see the hit chances.

I think you have to hold CTRL while hovering over the Unit with your attack selected.
Which I'd like to have as the Default view btw.

 

[Yig1015]

Press the touch pad button. It shows the other details. This topic doesnt seem to be yielding concrete information though so I think im going to just wait and see if this is patched. The simple thing i was trying to say is Defense Mode does not visually show up in the calculation of melee hit chance on the ps4 version. If you hit the touch pad for more info it never shows it. This seems to be the thing that makes non fumble 90% misses possible. If anyone is confused as to why saying a 90% to hit means a 0% to miss I would suggest reading in the in game imperial archives about grazes.

 

[wingren013]

Press the touch pad button. It shows the other details. This topic doesnt seem to be yielding concrete information though so I think im going to just wait and see if this is patched. The simple thing i was trying to say is Defense Mode does not visually show up in the calculation of melee hit chance on the ps4 version. If you hit the touch pad for more info it never shows it. This seems to be the thing that makes non fumble 90% misses possible. If anyone is confused as to why saying a 90% to hit means a 0% to miss I would suggest reading in the in game imperial archives about grazes.

Post in bug reports then. You'll need to link your Paradox account to your Steam account in order to see/access it.