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Current DEG house rules

Settings:

Scenario:
HOI 1.05b, 1936-48, normal, normal

AAR:
An After Action Report thread will be opened and each player will hopefully write something about their country’s progress, plans and view of the game there.

Player countries:
Each faction is played as a team. If the axis are defeated the two allied factions wins a joint victory. A state is NOT allowed to change sides during the campaign,
Axis: Germany, Italy, Japan
Allies: UK, USA
Communist: USSR

*Optional players
Also there could be circulating minor players playing fx CW states, Poland, France until continental France is totally conquered first time. If enough players are interested there will be a discussion of allowing a Chinese player.

Speed and pausing:
The game will be played at the lowest speed that any player wishes for. Pausing is ALWAYS allowed. If you don’t agree with this please do not apply for this campaign. At 1st of january each year there is a short break to allow all players to stretch their legs, upgrade their industry or enlighten their girlfriends that they really don't play that stupid game all the time.

Hosting and game speed:
1) The host decides the game speed, within the following limits:
2) Peace time (=before Germany is at war with Allies): speed is set at 'below normal' to 'above normal', if a player demands a lower speed, the speed is set at 'below normal' for at least 5 minutes, then the host may increase again
3) War time: speed is set at 'slow' or 'below normal', if a player demands a lower speed, the speed is set at 'slow' or 'slower' for at least 5 minutes, then the host may increase again
4) It is preferred to have a somewhat lower speed than to make repeated pauses in the game

Player requirements:
Dedicated, mature, polite, skilled, punctual European players with better than modem connection. If a player doesn’t fulfil ALL of these requirements he will be substituted immediately.

Sessions and duration:
The goal is to play 1-2 evenings a week, 4-6 hours from around 18.00 CET with about 6 months of game time per session. The game will go on until on side capitulates or for the duration of the campaign when VP will decide who is the victor. If this is possible the game should be completed in 5-10 weeks IRL. If a player is absent for one session he is supposed to arrange a stand-in in good time before the session.

Rules:

1) No nukes.
2) Japanese and UK elections are to be edited if not triggered before the end of 1937.
3) No tech share to human nations. The exception is CW-players who may tech share silver techs between them. Silver techs can be given to AI countries in your alliance. CW AI nations may be given gold techs by the UK only.
4) No invasions from neutral countries (not allowed to launch air attacks from neutrals either, but it is OK to refuel ships/air units here though).
5) No supplies or resources can be sent to any country unless BOTH of you are at war with the same state. Exceptions to this rule: USA may send resources/supplies to USSR and UK after they are at war with Germany. CW states may send freely at any time to each other.
6) You are only allowed to DOW a country if you are going to invade them (so no Italian DOW on Denmark on Germans behalf, and DOW on small Central American countries that you do not plan to invade just to get the -CG demands). You may remain at war indefinately since there is a trade off losing reade on the world market.
7) Historical choices: Historical Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, USSR can't join Allies or Axis, Japan must change government to Paternal Autocrat, USA is NOT allowed to go Stalinist, avoiding Nanking massacre. Japan must become Paternal Autocrat, USSR may not join Allies or Axis etc.
8) Stacking limitations: none (feel free to stack your navy and airforce any way you want).
9) Any general exploits are not allowed, includes: sending your entire navy as expeditionary force to Venezuela just to save supplies, upgrading infrastructure in territory you are about to loose (so enemy gets less IC and cant make AA/forts), and other similar things.
10) Maximum size of exp forces to AI states:
It’s a bit unrealistic to send dozens of divisions to a neutral state without actually going to war for its cause. Max is 3 divisions per sending/receiving state.

Discussed house rules:

Restricted exp forces:
A standard move is to send the entire USSR red navy on loan to the UK. The UK can later repair those ships and deploy them as their own then upgrade them with their own tech. No game breaker but it feels unrealistic. I suggest we forbid any lending of forces between the allies and USSR.

Neutral Italy
Italy attacking USSR without joining the axis might be considered a somewhat dubious strategy. A solution to it would be for the UK to lend massive forces to the USSR in the med that attacks Italian possessions under Russian command. Preventing Italy from crusading against the Bolsheviks without joining the axis combined with the above mentioned restricted exp forces rule would be a fine gentlemen’s agreement in my opinion.

Chinese starvation
Some people find it gamey for Japan to cut off the Chinese capital and starve the remaining army to 0 org and blitz china in short time taking the capital last avoiding the nanking massacre event. Avoiding the massacre is an exploit and not allowed but what about isolating the capital?
 
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Playing time and player states:

States so far wished for:

MadViking - UK
Aldo - Australia, Canada or natchi (?)
juv95hrn - US
Jan - Japan
Tomar - Italy
Tuttu - USSR
Stein - France
Padishar - Germany


Jebba - if someone else can't make it.

Sessions:
Sessions so far have been played monday and thursday 18.00-00.00
It seems certain players want to move these sessions to fx tuesday?

Tuesday 18.00 is the time for kickoff...

ICQ me your wishes and possible playing times...
 
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I want to play germany in the DEG 6, plz

One could consider to only send expedition forces to nations in the same alliance.
 
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Re house rules ...

The " encircle capital" issue applies not only to China... can be done to any country and I dont really see what can be done about it..... You cant force a player to capture an ennemy province especially if its well defended.

Why "no invasions in South America" ?

CW players should be able to give gold tech to AI commonwealth

And finally if there are 14 players why not have 2 session in parallel ? Can we play on Monday the 18th ?
 
In total, 14 players have participated in deg games 1 to 5. I do not think all of them are interested in playing deg 6.

I do think Tomar has the right to participate in deg 6 as he missed the last one and said in advance he wanted to be in in the next but I think both Italy and USSR are taken.

About China and supplies, maybe China is a special case as the capital is easily surrounded and lacks connection with the sea?

About exp forces, there should be no limit in sending exp forces to allies but divison limit to non-allies would be sensible.

About semi-neutral Italy, it's really a abomination but not really a problem if US/UK threats to send exp corps to Italy (but if allied-commie exp corps is banned Italy should be forced to join axis if they dow SU).
 
If there's any spots open I'd love to get in.

ICQ= 57164896 but I'd rather a PM or an email...


(Hi Jebba) :)
 
hey

I have a few things...

It seems I'm trading USSR with Japan for tuttu.

On a few issues.

Is there no other red stars than just the capitol of china?
All red stars are supply points, so if capitol is surrounded, the rest should still get supply..
Anyhow as for italy, this is more complicated.

I belive historically there was a chance, that Mussolini being the commie hater he probably was, would have seen them as the great foe and not the allies, thus not wanting a war with the english would only join against USSR.

Historical examples
Bulgaria was at war with the USSR but not with the allies, the finns were at war with the USSR but not with the allies either.

Thus all this should prove that countries could choose who they wanted to fight, thus Italy's not joining the Axis is a valid move in my eyes.
Particularly since there are some very big disadvantages of not being in the axis alliance...
1 st is exp-corps, Italy can't send none...
2nd is fog of war, they will not be able to see very well..
3rd Using units on non-allied ground, can result in varied results, and sometimes disasterous consequenses, like loosing your entire airforce.
While we replace it , expect to fight without it until next sesssion :)

My 5 IC
Janster
 
Seems the following nations and players are decided so far:

Germany: Phadishar
Italy: Aldo
Japan: Jan
UK: MadViking
USA: Juv
USSR: Tuuttu

Since the old Monday/Thursday game days do not work for some players regular (non-vacation) schedule, te following game times have been suggested:

Tuesdays from around 18:00 CET
Wednesdays from around 18:00 CET

Can all of the above players play during these times?

By the way, next game is scheduled for Tuesday 19 August at 19:00 CET (yes, 1 hour later than usual)
 
Re: hey

Originally posted by Janster
I belive historically there was a chance, that Mussolini being the commie hater he probably was, would have seen them as the great foe and not the allies, thus not wanting a war with the english would only join against USSR.

Mussolini started out as a socialist so I am not sure if he hated the commies (of SU) very much. But anyway, Nazi-Germany didn't hate UK very much but ended up in war with them anyway after dowing Poland.

The problem is that the Allies gets a 40 percent dissent hit when dowing Italy when in fact they shouldn't have any penalty at all (if Italy is at war with SU). If Italy has a defacto alliance with Germany (in all but on paper) it is not for them to pick their enemies. Why should the US or UK public be upset for their governments dowing Italy? It's not like they are making war on a peaceful anglo-friendly nation.

Bulgaria and Finland wasn't at war with the Allies cause neither UK/US nor themselfs wanted that, not because the British people would have been upset (ok, a little upset for Finland). ;)
 
I can make it 18.00 tomorrow tuesday but I'm not available to play on wednesdays until one or two weeks from now. The same should apply to Aldo since he is playing the same EU2 campaign as I am.

Next week I will be 1 one hour late on tuesday so I guess we should start at 19.00 then.

I agree with sharing Gold to AI CW countries.

I agree with banning unhistorical exp forces ie large allied invasion forces to fight the Italians in the med in exchange for the Italians really joining the axis to fight in the war. It just makes more sense to me. Russia neither received nor would have accepted intervention of large allied forces on their territory during the war.
 
Yes I will be there 18.00 CET.
 
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CW players should be able to give gold tech to AI commonwealth

I agree with sharing Gold to AI CW countries.

What do the rest of you say about this? I personally do not think this would make AI-controlled commonwealth nations over-powered, just make them more historical. In WWII, the ANZAC were not the crappy forces that they usually are in this game.

Also, next game is Tuesday 19 August at 18:00 (NOT at 19:00). Hope to see you all there.
 
well

With the pressure during 39-40 on UK I think the nation would have freaked if their goverment declared war on Italy, Churchill would be declared a warmonger and probably been hung out to dry as Britains already stretched resources would be in further jeopardy...

This is of course all speculation, but I feel it this way.

As for sharing Gold tech, hmm I'm not against it, but I want to specify, France is NOT a minor nation and no tech should ever be sendt to it, doing this is in my opinion ahistorical and unbalances the game, its a shame the Ai suck, but I am on the other hand not against having a French player

Janster
 
Re: well

Originally posted by Janster
With the pressure during 39-40 on UK I think the nation would have freaked if their goverment declared war on Italy, Churchill would be declared a warmonger and probably been hung out to dry as Britains already stretched resources would be in further jeopardy...

This is of course all speculation, but I feel it this way.

In 39-40 neither Germany nor Italy was at war with SU so that is definitely speculations. A better example would be to consider if a Allied dow on Italy in 42-44 would have upset anyone. Italians and Germans had by then fought shoulder to shoulder for years but Italy was our friends and not at all a threat to the free world. Nah. ;)

Golden techs to AI CW's is fine by me. France will get a few treats thanks to that as well unfortunately (AI tech sharing).
 
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I am in or not ?

I ve made several posts re the fact that I asked for either US or Italy from the previous game already (or USSR) which have been ignored.

Please tell me whether I am in or not, so I dont waste your time and mine

Txs

Jan: gold tech sharing was suggested for CW AI only (aussies and such)