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There's eight major powers in the game, Great Britain, France, Sweden, Austria, Prussia, Russia, The Ottomans and Spain. I think it is fine, they're all major powers, but shouldn't Denmark be a major aswell lol?
I mean Denmark is in some ways more powerful then Sweden....
1) Danish economy is stronger
2) Danish navy is stronger
3) Also the danish manpower can run op to over 125k

What I mean is that I know Denmark is no Russia or France, but it is a major power, seriously... look at the map, Denmark is way more powerful than an average country. Just sharing my opinion... do you think they should make Denmark a major?
 
But in the years of this game Denmark was beaten around by both sides and I would say not a major player once the British destroyed their fleet. But that is my opinion.
 
I believe SAS provided half of the answer; the other half being in Yasem answer.

Danemark was not at that time a major power, but was on the (declining) edge of it. Swedden obviously was (is in the game) too much boosted , and did not have any capacity to influence the history of the time.

Both monarchies, similar to that to Spanish monarchy, was what french call "an end of the line/race".

Now to be also honest, it is like hell to define a really 8th major power in europe at that time. German minors are only that (minor), a unified Italy would have been a strong contender, but it never appear at that time, balkan is .... well it is balkans, means petit infighting that they were spare historically because of Marmont (I believe croate people still have a saying about him, or it is albanese people? same same to me anyway).So stay only the nordic powers. A toss of a coin certainly did the trick to know wich one to choose.

It would be better in fact if Danemark can take the 8th place from Swedden, but I believe such capacity is not possible. That would be fair; or maybe have 9th instead of 8th.
 
ericB said:
It would be better in fact if Danemark can take the 8th place from Swedden, but I believe such capacity is not possible. That would be fair; or maybe have 9th instead of 8th.
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As long as Paradox stays in Sweden, the coin will always be against Denmark!
 
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Neither Sweden nor Denmark were really great powers at that point in time. I'd have stopped at the real 5, but can see the point of adding Spain, the Ottomans and one GP in Scandinavia. Sweden or Denmark is a coinflip then.
 
Grubnessul said:
Neither Sweden nor Denmark were really great powers at that point in time. I'd have stopped at the real 5, but can see the point of adding Spain, the Ottomans and one GP in Scandinavia. Sweden or Denmark is a coinflip then.
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The idea is to have enough for a good multiplayer contest for the victory.
 
That's all cool opinions but consider this guys; Sweden is only stronger on Diplomacy, how does that make it a great power? I can easily see the idea of having quite a few majors for the sake of the game, but adding Denmark as a 9th wouldn't hurt, and also be more fair, and if the reason Denmark ain't a major is because the devs are swedish then it's really low IMO. But look at it Denmark can easily become a very strong country, and is a pretty strong one in the beginning, but there's a reason why they call it a major and not a great power. Sweden, the Ottomans and Spain ain't really great powers but they are major countries and so is Denmark. Just saying... :)
 
therebel11 said:
That's all cool opinions but consider this guys; Sweden is only stronger on Diplomacy, how does that make it a great power? I can easily see the idea of having quite a few majors for the sake of the game, but adding Denmark as a 9th wouldn't hurt, and also be more fair, and if the reason Denmark ain't a major is because the devs are swedish then it's really low IMO. But look at it Denmark can easily become a very strong country, and is a pretty strong one in the beginning, but there's a reason why they call it a major and not a great power. Sweden, the Ottomans and Spain ain't really great powers but they are major countries and so is Denmark. Just saying... :)
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By hat logic they co use make Egypt a Great Power, and Two Sicilies too. There could only be eight.
 
therebel11 said:
Dude that makes no sense, Denmark is actually powerful Egypt and Naples isn't... :) But I think Denmark should be the 9th major
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You said that they can become very strong. Both of those nations can. The fact is, 8 great powers is a little much, and 9 is just silly. That would be making every nation that isn't a German state a great power of Europe. 8 were in it for purposes of Multiplayer. If they added Denmark they would have to add another so there were equal numbers...
 
Morgothic said:
You said that they can become very strong. Both of those nations can. The fact is, 8 great powers is a little much, and 9 is just silly. That would be making every nation that isn't a German state a great power of Europe. 8 were in it for purposes of Multiplayer. If they added Denmark they would have to add another so there were equal numbers...
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Egypt then, as the last time I checked it is NOT in Europe!

And if Sicilia, then add Algeria ...

Still, I do not understand thatreasoning of yours, what are those numbers that must be equal at all cost? Did I miss something (being old male me soemtimes miss important points, so apologies in advance if I did).
 
ericB said:
Egypt then, as the last time I checked it is NOT in Europe!

And if Sicilia, then add Algeria ...

Still, I do not understand thatreasoning of yours, what are those numbers that must be equal at all cost? Did I miss something (being old male me soemtimes miss important points, so apologies in advance if I did).
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For multiplayer and balance there should be even numbers of great powers. Otherwise one coalition is bound to be stronger.
 
therebel11 said:
It is already being that there is a huge power difference among the majors and Egypt and Sicily can in no way get nearly as strong as Denmark....
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I have seen Egypt capture all of Africa (AI), making it quite formidable.

And Denmark usually gets trashed by Britain early on anyway.

The point is, 8 Great Powers is already more than were around. Why add even more!?
 
lemonsquid said:
The Danish Nationalists just get tired of watching the Pdox titles give Sweden the upper hand is all I see here lol
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Denmark is actually fun to play as it is a big challenge (like the real world around 1800) squeezed between two great powers (France and GB) and the rivals from Sweden. Its fun but you have to make your own goals. It could be even more fun to have the same amount of score-system as the great powers. So to include Denmarks it not so much a question of nationalism as much as a fun gameplay experience IMO.
 
Sweden is very hard to attack in MP and adds a lot to the game diplomatically ( a vital base for British in northern Europe) on the flip side Denmark is almost impossible to defend ( not the Norway bit obviously)

Sweden i think also gets favored simply because it remained independent and fought in the German liberation campaign.

i'm very aware of how small the armies they actually sent were just my Opinion.
 
DunkFunk said:
Sweden is very hard to attack in MP and adds a lot to the game diplomatically ( a vital base for British in northern Europe) on the flip side Denmark is almost impossible to defend ( not the Norway bit obviously)

Sweden i think also gets favored simply because it remained independent and fought in the German liberation campaign.

i'm very aware of how small the armies they actually sent were just my Opinion.
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Yeah, even if Denmark was a GP it would still be smashed by Britain every game. So A) Not really a contender and B) Not so 'Great'...
 
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