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The World in 1444 - EU4

CK3: Part 1
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I don't have a rooting interest, I'm just here to see what happens.
 
Looks like Byzantium and burgundy so do well...Ming too, obviously.
 
Surprised to see Norway and Sweden independent. Did East Francia port over as the HRE, and all of its constituent parts become vassals?

Aside from those mentioned already, Delhi seems in a good starting place.
 
Great Powers - 1444

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Here we have our 8 Great Powers. We should all remember that some, or perhaps even all, might not be a great power anymore by the end of EU4.

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Religion: Orthodox
Culture: Greek
Enemies: Andalusia, Armenia, Italy

Our first Great Power is the Byzantine Empire. In 1444, they are under a Regency Council for 15 years old emperor Samuel Melissenos-Selymbria. Despite having the largest manpower pool in the world, the current army of the Eastern Roman Empire is inadequate for its size. The question right now at everyone's mind is whether this empire will continue being a behemoth or decline in coming decades.

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Religion: Catholic
Culture: Francien
Enemies: England, Pannonia, Maghreb, Alba
Rivals: Maghreb, Alba, Pannonia
Junior Partners: Norway, Sweden

Next, we have the Kingdom of East Francia under the charismatic 29 years old Queen Elisabeth Cetchathach-Dealgan. As you can see, the converter made Norway and Sweden junior partners of East Francia in a personal union. I believe this happens when a character in CK3 holds multiple titles of same rank. French culture became Francien; which was a French dialect in Real Life I believe.

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Religion: Confucian
Culture: Zhili
Rivals: Ashikaga
Tributaries: Ayutthaya, Champa, Dai Viet, Khmer, Korea, Lan Xang, Haixi, Jianzhou, Malacca, Mong Mao, Pangasinan, Ryukyu, Qilian, Tondo

At third place, we have the Ming dynasty under 27 years old Emperor Qizhen Zhu who is naive and of cowardly nature. Will Ming be able to hold their Mandate of Heaven? Or will they lose their place to new powers over the decades?

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Religion: Sunni
Culture: Sindhi
Enemies: Armenia, Transoxiana, Jazira, Tamilakam
Rivals: Armenia, Transoxiana, Tamilakam

In fourth place is the Delhi Sultanate led by 45 years old Dadu Phattu Indraprasthid, a man who is well-connected and possess a silver tongue. Delhi is the strongest power in the Indian subcontinent at the moment but they have enemies on all sides.

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Religion: Hindu
Culture: Tamil
Enemies: Bengal, Bihar, Tamilakam
Rivals: Bengal, Jazira, Tamilakam

At fifth place, we have the Kingdom of Orissa ruled by 43 years old expansionist conqueror Varotaya from the House of Madurai of the Nolamba dynasty. Despite being the stronger Tamil state, the House of Madurai are unable to call themselves rulers of Tamil homeland due to their relatives from the House of Devagiri holding the title.

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Religion: Hindu
Culture: Tamil
Enemies: Delhi, Gujarat, Orissa
Rivals: Orissa, Jazira, Delhi

Right below their relatives in Great Power rankings is the Kingdom of Tamilakam ruled by the House of Devagiri. The two powers have many similarities from the culture to the religion to rulers with the same name to being members of the same Nolamba dynasty. However, by mid-15th Century, the two families of Madurai and Devagiri no longer considered each other part of the same dynasty due to the bad blood among them. Unlike Orissa's expansionist Varotaya, Tamilakam's 45 years old Maharaja Varotaya is an intricate webweaver known for his indulgent life.

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Religion: Sunni
Culture: Persian
Enemies: Delhi, Jazira
Rivals: Transoxiana, Byzantine Empire, Delhi

The seventh Great Power on the list is the Shahdom of Armenia ruled by the 60 years old silver-tongued intricate webweaver Busir Balgarsko-Abhar. Surrounded by powerful enemies on three directions, expanding into the actual Armenian-culture Jazira might be the best bet for the shahdom.

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Religion: Catholic
Culture: Lombard
Enemies: Burgundy, Maghreb
Rivals: Burgundy, Byzantine Empire, Maghreb

The final Great Power is the Kingdom of Italy led by 67 years old industrious and Midas-touched Sinibaldo di Trento. Italy has Sardegna e Corisca as junior partner under a personal union.
 
Surprised to see Norway and Sweden independent. Did East Francia port over as the HRE, and all of its constituent parts become vassals?

Aside from those mentioned already, Delhi seems in a good starting place.
If a CK3 character had multiple title of same rank, the converter released secondary titles as junior partners under personal union.
 
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Tamil kingdoms were called Nadu. So Orissa is Orissa Nadu or Oriya Nadu or Odia Nadu. As a person from the subcontinent, I am familiar with these terms. Please do tell if you are familiar with similar terms.

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Striking how much power is weighted towards the global east. If Ming becomes a colonial power, which I’ve seen it do a few times, that eastern dominance might actually continue for a long time. Depends on how well the Atlantic European states can exploit the New World, I suppose.
 
I've never seen the Renaissance spawn outside of Italy, I didn't realize that it could. That's pretty awesome.
 
I've never seen the Renaissance spawn outside of Italy, I didn't realize that it could. That's pretty awesome.
That often happens in megacampaigns. Other wise yeah, I also have never seen Renaissance spawn outside Italy in vanilla.
 
I think the tone in europe may well be set by the first big war. And if east francia gets those personal unions turned into annexation.

Byzantine empire literally just needs to not collapse to stay overwhelmingly dominant, at least for a good long while. I can't see Italy surviving unless it teams up with francia quickly...and I can't see franfia beating the Romans without some outside help.
 
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"The transition from Middle Ages to modernity began on mid-15th Century with the advent of the Renaissance, which was called Wenyi Fuxing by the Chinese. The ideas of Wenyi Fuxing started from Ming Empire's important trade hub Chengdu."

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"While the people of Chengdu spoke of new ideas, Emperor Qizhen Zhu was busy fighting an offensive war against the nomads of Lesser Mongolia and other tribal states. The Chinese emperor had recently become a devout follower of religion and Confucian spiritual leaders convinced him to launch campaigns against tribes of the north before they became too powerful."

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"Outside of China, the other most important event was the war between Andalusia and the Byzantine Empire. Sultan Mubashir Fadlid was a bold fighter who underestimated his enemies and was convinced that he, as a member of the prestigious Umayyad dynasty, had the best army in the entire world. He was of the view that the Byzatines were an overstretched paper tiger and refused suggestions from his generals to call their powerful allies such as the Galindid cousins of Maghreb to this war."
 
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First test for the ERE. The AI obviously has some idea that declaring war isn’t simply a fool’s game, so interested to see how it turns out.

The Chinese renaissance is very cool. Wonder if there are some conditions the save satisfies which means it’s much more likely to fire there in this case?
 
First test for the ERE. The AI obviously has some idea that declaring war isn’t simply a fool’s game, so interested to see how it turns out.

The Chinese renaissance is very cool. Wonder if there are some conditions the save satisfies which means it’s much more likely to fire there in this case?
For the Renaissance to spawn:

- must be in Italy region except Malta
- must be in a state
- must not be an island
- must be capital or have 20 development

Chengdu has 21 development. But what puzzles me is that Beijing (31 and Ming capital) or Nanjing (33 and highest dev at entire world) did not spawn it. And both Chengdu and Beijing are at Level 2 Center of Trade. No idea why it keeps spawning at Chengdu over Beijing or Nanjing.
 
Good god, the ming getting even more buffed is very concerning.

Not sure what their renaissance infers. What exactly are they rediscovering? That hiding behind a really ineffective wall instead of ruling the south Pacific like a god isn't good economic practice???

If the Chinese rediscover their love of boats, the world is in for a world of hurt.