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Does anyone now if this event is in EU2 or in any mod? If not, I'll try to base my first event on this one.


20.000 Prussian troops under the command of the Duke of Braunschweig-Wolfenbuettel invaded The Dutch Republic on Sept. 13th. 1787. The Prussian troops met with little resistance and occupied Amsterdam on Oct. 10th, ending the Patriot Revolution.

There was a civil war going on and the patriots had more power as Willem V and his wife Wilhelmina van Pruisen (Von Prussia) had. After Wilhelmina was arrested her brother Frederik Willem II, King of Prussia invaded the Republic and thus restoring power to Willem V
 
I haven't got EU2 installed on this computer so I can't resolve all the issues, but here is my first shot:

Things which should be looked at:

- Does this event already exist?
- fix event ID’s
- trigger should be Dutch republic must rule the country
- date trigger probably unnessecary
- sleepleader must get id
- monarch must get ID
- leader ID for arrest event
- must revolt risk be brought down again?
- What to do if not arresting Wilhelmina? (Batavian Republic?)

Comments and alternations or welkom.


###################################################
# This event was created by weyouns event program!#
###################################################


event = {
id = 186323
random = no
country = HOL
name = "The Arrest of Wilhelmina von Prussia"
desc = "On 26th of june 1787 The Dutch Patriots of the Batavian Republic had the opportunity to arrest Wilhelmina von Prussia, wife of Willem V and sister of Frederik Willem II, king of Prussia"
style = 1

date = { day = 26 month = june year = 1787 }
deathdate = { day = 18 month = january year = 1795 }

ai = yes
year = 1787
exists = HOL
leader = xxxx
}


action_a = {
name = "Arrest Wilhemina von Prussia"
command = { type = breakdynastic which = PRU }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Do not arrest Wilhemina von Prussia"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 338 value = 10 }
command = { type = revolt which = 338 }
}
}


###################################################
# This event was created by weyouns event program!#
###################################################


event = {
id = 186324
random = no
country = PRU
name = "The Prussian invasion of the Dutch republic"
desc = "At 26 juni 1787 Wilhemina von Prussia, wife of Willem V was arrested by the Dutch Patriots. Her brother Frederik Willem II, king of Prussia, now had the choice to invade the Dutch republic and free his sister, or let this outrage pass by "
style = 1

date = { day = 9 month = september year = 1787 }
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1780 }

trigger = {
ai = yes
event = 186323
year = 1787
exists = HOL
}


action_a = {
name = "Invade the Dutch republic and free Wilhelmina"
command = { type = war which = HOL }
command = { type = casusbelli which = HOL value = 6 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = vp value = 25 }
command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 150 }
command = { type = dynastic which = HOL }
command = { type = sleepleader which = x }
command = { type = monarch which = x }
}
action_b = {
name = "Do not invade the Dutch republic"
command = { type = casusbelli which = HOL value = 12 }
command = { type = vp value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = HOL value = -150 }
}}
 
I'm not sure that a Prussian CB is the best way to handle it. After all the Duke of Brunswick had been the Dutch premier under William V.

From the EUII event file:
Code:
[COLOR=skyblue]
#The Revolution in Holland#
event = {

	id = 3515
	random = no
	country = HOL
	name = "EVENTNAME3515"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3515"
	style = 4

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1785 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1791 }

	action_a ={				#React against Revolutionary Tendencies!#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3515A"
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = SERFDOM value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -3  }
		command = { type = relation which = PRU value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -150 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 15000 }
		command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 3000 }
		command = { type = ART which = -2 value = 30 }
	}

	action_b ={				#Risk the Revolution!#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3515B"
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = SERFDOM value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PRU value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 150 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 156 value = 3 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
	}
}
[/COLOR]

So there is an event about this, and cetainly the Prussians shouldn't be allowed to invade if the Dutch chose not to have the revolution.

You might also want to look here for other ideas for the revolution and alternative outcomes.

I suspect that the arrest of Wilhelmina was incidental to Prussian intervention. She had always been encouraging her husband to take a hard line against the Patriots, and it was pretty much inevitable that they would have to break with her in a serious way in order to get rid of the Orange dynasty.

Other comments - I would not mess with badboy that much. As is your sequence will have Prussia get 4 BB points, one from the event, and three for the declaration of war without a casus belli. In addition they will lose 4 stability, 3 for the DOW without a CB, and 1 from the event. That seems a bit harsh to me. .

As an aside, the Patriots were really counting on Louis XVI to prevent foreign interference in the Netherlands (their foreign policy was basically pro-French, while the Orangists were basically pro-British). Perhaps the French should get the chance to stop Prussia. In the end French finances couldn't support any action, which cost Louis a lot of credibility with the army.
 
I'll do a bit more research and also take look at the mentioned thread, before I can usefully comment.
 
To the moderator perhaps this should be moved to the thread Isaac Brock mentioned.
(If cross-posting is not appreciated)

5 issues:

1) I can’t really agree with you that the arrest was incidental, because of the following:

“Frederik Willem II, king of Prussian, considered the arrest of his sister as an insult and demanded compensation of the states of Holland. The Prussian envoy F.W.von Thulemeier handed over on 9 September an ultimatum of its king to the Dutch raadspensionaris Pieter van Bleiswijk. (28) on 13 September marched in an army of 20,000 prussic soldiers under command of K.W.F. duke of Brunswick (a cousin of Lodewijk of Brunswick "the dikke duke") the republic.”

So the fact that ultimatum expired probably was the reason for the intervention, but off course the compensation could have been preposterous, just being a pretence to invade.

Still the arrest event could be introduced with a further influence on relations with Prussia

2) Did the patriots not take over the government first and after that got invaded?

In the mentioned event it seems these two events are joined to one, which could be argued about. The fact that those two events took place shortly after one another doesn’t automatically mean this is justified.

Perhaps the problem is; must these patriots in the game be viewed as the new leader or just as successful rebels? They did in fact take over government, so?

Perhaps a good way to deal with it is to make a 1785 event in which the player/AI can agree with Patriotic reforms. If said no, Willem V remains leader and will get extremely heavy revolts, so heavy that government probably will fall and the Batavian Republic becomes leader, Wilhelmina can possibly be arrested and Prussia can invade (both uncertain), but the invasion must than probably be a DOW.
If said yes, Willem V will remain in power; Wilhelmina will not be arrested, no Prussian intervention, aristocracy down, innovative high etc…

3) "and cetainly the Prussians shouldn't be allowed to invade if the Dutch chose not to have the revolution." Would that be the result of events. If so how should I alter them?

4) What do you mean "for the declaration of war without a casus belli", in the event they have a CB, haven’t they? Or do you mean if I agree to drop CB? These events have many imperfections, being my first try.

5) It would be nice to involve the French into this; in fact they were involved later anyway. Haven't yet figured out exactly how they could fit in.

If People agree with the 1785 event I’ll try to script it and adjust the other events, but it won’t be without faults either.

Side point: can AI DOW individually as human players can?
 
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