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I have completed an additional 104 events for France. They are contained in a single file: super_fra.txt. This file contains all of my events as well as all of the original events for France which are compatible with mine. Just comment out the original major_fra.txt and insert a line for mine. I left the flavor events for France alone, they are of minor importance (I think there are just 4 or 5 anyway).

To get the file, e-mail me at christophergreg@hotmail.com. I dont have a website, sorry. I check my e-mail several times a day though, so you will get a quick response.

This thread is for feedback, spelling errors, and bug reporting.

I know I promised a table of contents in the Western Europe EEP thread, but after doing a handful, I realized it would take FOREVER. So I stopped. Just download the file and read them if you want.

Note: The function of the events is to drive France on its correct path in history. They make the game much much much harder for a warmonger. If you like warmongering, dont use them. However, I am personally tired of the game being too easy, hence my event design.

Short Summary of French Events

Hundred Years War Events: Help France retake the French culture territories.

Adventures in Italy Events: France fought two series of wars in Italy in the late 1400s and early 1500s.

Religious Problems Events: The French crackdown on Protestantism costs them narrowmindedness, but provides stability.

Religious Civil War: The crackdown on Protestantism goes too far. France falls into chaos.

Rebuilding of France: The Bourbon Dynasty rebuilds France from the chaos of civil war.

Imperial Rivalry: France and Britian fight throughout Europe and the world, dragging everyone else in.

Precursors to Revolution: French absolutism causes internal problems with the nobility. Then the peasantry. Revolution begins.

The French Revolution: NO EVENTS. Original Revolution Events used.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

I received the e-mail okay & I have briefly looked over the file. Ryoken69, the file is really very impressive. The amount of work that must have gone into this is staggering, to say the least. I have a couple of general observations:

1. I think a big priority now is weaving these events into those of other countries. I saw several points where I will need to go back & look over my British Isles events to make sure they can work together. Also look at Lambert Simnel's series of events on an English victory in the Hundred Years' War. I don't think too many events have been made for the other major West European powers, so it might be a bit easier to weave those together.

2. I saw in a couple of events (War of Austrian Succession & Seven Years' War) that the A choice results in war between the respectives sides. My preference is to generally avoid events that actually force war upon the player. Keep in mind that the AI player takes the A choice 85% of the time, regardless of their situation. It would be bad for, say, the French AI to be fighting a war against Spain & Prussia, & then declare war on the rest of Europe because of the Austrian Succession event. I would instead use temporary CBs (perhaps a decade long) plus deep drops in relations. Hence, a player (or the AI) can use the event to declare war, but doesn't have to.

I'll look over the events in more detail tomorrow (it's 2AM & I'm falling asleep), & let you know any more specific comments. Again, excellent work!

 

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Well, I dont have the information on the other countries events with regard to big multi-national issues (like Austrian Succession). If someone could inform me about that and set up a trigger, Ill write my side of the trigger. The main Franco-hater is England, so if someone writes an English event that triggers a French one, either leave a ID empty and let me write it or write your own event and post it here, so it can be talked about.

I am working on a "French minors -> France" event file so that Brittany, Bourbounais, Auvergne, Provence, French Catholics, French Protestants, and Burgundy could possibly turn into France if they control Paris and France is gone. I am debating including those events in my own file at a later date (i.e. if there is a need for a major edit or restructuring) or making another file. If anyone has a compelling argument for either eventuality, I am open to suggestion.

 

[Pedro Cabral]

ok, very sorry for the thread,
but you does not speak about mod in 1419-1450 period.
(It was a debate of french forum)
-Joan of Arc with best capacities...
And especially mod about frontieres in 1419. I suggested removing Orlêans to give him at France.
I think it sad that it haven't mod of this period.

If you want ma suggestions...

ps: La guerre de cents-ans in English is a hundred years war?

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by ryoken69
Well, I dont have the information on the other countries events with regard to big multi-national issues (like Austrian Succession). If someone could inform me about that and set up a trigger, Ill write my side of the trigger. The main Franco-hater is England, so if someone writes an English event that triggers a French one, either leave a ID empty and let me write it or write your own event and post it here, so it can be talked about.

I am working on a "French minors -> France" event file so that Brittany, Bourbounais, Auvergne, Provence, French Catholics, French Protestants, and Burgundy could possibly turn into France if they control Paris and France is gone. I am debating including those events in my own file at a later date (i.e. if there is a need for a major edit or restructuring) or making another file. If anyone has a compelling argument for either eventuality, I am open to suggestion.

The Austrian Succession is already modelled in the game (the "Pragmatic Solution" series of events). It does't use the war command, but drops relations & gives Prussia a CB on Silesia, which started the whole ball rolling.

On the French minors, Lambert Simnel has done some work on this. If you download the current EEP package (v. 0.2 beta), you can see his work in there. I'm not sure if what he has done is exactly the same as you are proposing, but you can compare & see what needs to be done.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

I read through the super_fra file in detail, and made the following comments. I apologize for the length. I really like the "blind" events, they are very effective & realistic. Good job!


50001 - I think this event needs a bit more balance. With the increase in stability & making France a vassal, choice A is irresistable. Perhaps something could be done to at least make B & C a little more tempting.

50005 - You don't need the { year = 1422 } trigger, because of the date = x line.

50006 - Perhaps an addition trigger could be that England owns certain French provinces, so that the event only happens if the Hundred Years' War is going badly. If the French are already winning, they might not need a savior.

50008 - Is there any way that this event could occur without it automatically handing Orleans over to the French? It is hard on the English player, if there is nothing he can do to avoid defeat.

50008 & 50009 - Instead of having 50009A lead to war, perhaps have a trigger for 50008 be that England & France are at war, & 50009A gives +1 stability to France (great success in war).

50010 - There should be a trigger that England & France are at war, & maybe that France & Burgundy are at war as well.

50012 - Having 50012A remove French culture from England does conflict with the English End of the Hundred Years' War event (3004). My opinion is that the revolt risk is punishment enough, & that the culture should be lost if the English can't recover from this situation (as is currently modelled).

50015 - I actually think this event is too easy on England. They shouldn't have choice B that could allow them to remain on the continent. I would argue that A is too generous, & shouldn't give any warships, colonists, or explorers (England gets enough of those later on). Also, I don't think England should have to lose each of the listed provinces to have the event. Perhaps if they lose a couple of crucial ones (Orleannais, Normandie, either of Gascogne and Poitou, perhaps). Again, I think it is this event that should cause the English to lose French culture.

50017 & 50019 - Here you say that Charles VII was nominally successful in limiting the power of the nobility (aristocracy -1), but in 50019 you say that the nobility practically ignored the central government. Should there be some event in between the two that would raise aristocracy & lower centralization?

50024 - There is no way for France to avoid defeat here. There should be at least some mechanism to allow the French a chance. Perhaps instead of independence, there could be +10 revolt risk, 10k desertions, & two revolts in the province if the French try to hold on.

50026 - There is no way for Austria to avoid war with France. For these events, instead of directly leading to war, they should give a CB on the other country & other effects that make war likely, but not inevitable.

50027 - The trigger here should be that France is at war with Spain & Austria, not just that France is at war (it could be with anyone).

50028 - You could use the trigger controlled = x instead of owned, as for the latter the French would actually have to annex the Papal States (since it is the capital) for the event to occur, which is very unlikely.

50030 - I would decrease the cash amount in choice A, as the actual cost of a fine arts academy could be less that 1000 ducats, if the French player hasn't already built a couple of other manufacturies.

50032 - You can have, as a trigger, that the Reformation has occurred (event = 100).

50034 - Is the population change supposed to be negative or positive (negative sounds in line with the tone of the event)?

50043 - The date for this event is listed as 18 August 1563. I think it is supposed to be 1572 (in line with 50044).

50044 - Are the population changes supposed to be negative instead of positive?

Religious Civil Wars Event Sequence - The sequence is good & detailed, but there is no way for anyone other than Henry of Navarre to end up on the throne. I'm pretty sure that Lambert Simnel has worked up a scheme that allows the Catholics or Huguenots to win control of France (and become France). Check the v0.2 EEP beta.

50051 - Perhaps this event could add some money to the French treasury, to simulate the increased revenues from the levees.

50054, 50056 & 50058 - I think the +5 tax value is a bit much (especially if it happens to the same province for each events). Maybe +2 or +3 instead, perhaps for four or five provinces instead of three.

50056 - The stability command is missing the "type =".

50060 - You could use the war trigger to make sure that the two sides were fighting each other. Also, England wasn't involved in the Thirty Years' War, so they shouldn't be listed in A or B. As well, I think there should be a C, which would allow the French to remain neutral (resulting in maybe -1 stability & much lower relations with both sides).

50061 - I think the increase in relations are a bit too high, & this is a case where this event would need to exist for other countries involved as well.

50064 & 50065 - The offset for both events means they could happen up to 82 years after 1650. Perhaps instead they could have a trigger of 3000, & the second could have as its date 1665 to allow some spacing between the two.

50066 through 50068 - Same as 50064 & 50065.

50069 & 50070 - I think you may have too many revolts in the capital, especially considering the AI's questionable ability to suppress revolts.

50070 - The description says 1429 when it should read 1649.

50074 through 50077 - I think the date for each event needs to be staggered a bit so that they don't all happen in a span of a couple years.

50082 through 50089 - Perhaps these events could trigger immigration events for neighbouring countries (like the current "Protestants Expelled From France" event for the Netherlands (3509)).

50092 & 50093 - If you wish to simulate these wars, each of the other combatants will need similar events.

50103 - This event could trigger an event for the USA that gives them some money & some troops to simulate French support.

 

[Pedro Cabral]

I did not understand everything but that seems well to me
thank and thank
However there is nothing on the change of capital of France from 1423-1430, in this periode the capital was in berri at Bourges.
It's only in 1430 , Paris becomes again capital.
I think it's important.

As soon as i have EU2, I download the EEP
Even if it's incomplete, it's already better

 

[Demetrios]

Originally posted by P. Alavares Cab

ps: La guerre de cents-ans in English is a hundred years war?

Yes, it is called the Hundred Years War.

 

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Johnny Canuck,

I am taking your constructive criticism under consideration. Thank you. It is very hard for an author to catch his own mistakes. I have an editing session scheduled for tonight/tommorow morning. Should have the file revamped and sent out to you and everyone else who requested it by noon tommorow.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by ryoken69
Johnny Canuck,

I am taking your constructive criticism under consideration. Thank you. It is very hard for an author to catch his own mistakes. I have an editing session scheduled for tonight/tommorow morning. Should have the file revamped and sent out to you and everyone else who requested it by noon tommorow.

I am more than happy to help. I know I had a lot of points, & it may have seemed like I was being a bit too critical, but the file really is quite an accomplishment. I think you wrote more events in a week than I have in the past three months! I look forward to the next edition.

 

[KingCharlesXII]

Constructive criticism? lol The work is simply amazing! I don't think anything needs to be changed, thank you for doing this Ryoken69.

 

[Lambert Simnel]

Unfortunately I have just started a new job, so have little time for event mongering, but I would love to see the events. Can you send me a copy of the file.

My email is mnb@eclipse.co.uk

 

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I tried to address every issue you brought up, Johnny.
Here is a list of modifications.

50001 - Modified slightly, still heavily weighted towards A. The benefits of not choosing A is that you dodge 50006.

50005 - That was a leftover from another idea. Oops. Fixed now.

50006 - Modified so that if England still controls Normandie and Gasgogne (the last 2 they usually lose) the event triggers.

50008 - 2nd option added. Cost of no surrender is heavy, but available.

50008 & 50009 - War actions eliminated. Problem eliminated.

50010 - trigger modified for more realism.

50012 - modified to eliminate problem

50015 - Modified. Culture lost here, instead of earlier.

50017 & 50019 - event text modified to clarify misunderstanding.

50024 - 2nd option added. Your advice taken.

50026 - War action eliminated. CB added. Minor modification

50027 - Error fixed.

50028 - The event if for Papal States. If P.S. doesnt own Rome, woe is them.

50030 - Options modified. Check for details.

50032 - Trigger modified.

50034 - My mistake. Error fixed

50043 - Error fixed

50044 - Error fixed

Religious Civil Wars Event Sequence - My event modified to allow Henry III to not die. Will check EEP another day.

50051 - Action A modified.

50054, 50056 & 50058 - Actions modified.

50056 - Error fixed

50060 - Event modified so war is not inevitable. CB added. Relations degraded.

50061 - This was an error. Error fixed.

50064 - 50068 - Offset was wrong. Set to 10000

50069 & 50070 - 2 revolts taken off each.

50070 - Error fixed.

50074 through 50077 - Louis XIV bankrupted France several times. He had to float horrid loans to cover it. This is realistic.

50082 through 50089 - Most left for the colonies of the English and Dutch. Most of the population of New Amsterdam was Huguenot.

50092 & 50093 - Events deleted. Will discuss why after this list.

50103 - Event removed. France has enough monetary problems as it is. American Revolution was the final straw for the French treasury prior to the Revolution, but I dont think the computer could handle it.

I took out 3 events and added 1. I took out the American Revolution help, the War of Austria Succession, and the Seven Years War. I added another event to the Italy sequence.

Other minor modifications were made.

I took out the 2 big wars because I thought they could best be handled in an independent thread where every nation involved could get an event and they could be better coordinated.

The new event file was sent to everyone who e-mailed me to this point.

 

[AlanC9]

Just an installation note: the current event ids will cause two conflicts with the EEP if that's installed too.

First, the Napoleon and Archduke of Corsica events are altered in eep_fra, and so should be commented out in super_fra unless you disable eep_fra.

Second, the 50000 series ID numbers are assigned to Turkey currently. The quickest fix is to switch the ids in eep_tur to 80000 and up(far fewer changes; 80000 series ids are currently unused. Of course, these numbers will have to be reconciled at some point.

So much for the install. Now to see how it plays....

 

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I dont have the latest version of the EEP. I want it, but the computer I run EUII off of is not internet capable and my family's internet capable computer doesnt have a CD-RW. So any file bigger than 1.44 MB cant be transfered over easily. This weekend I plan on taking the CD-RW out of my computer and putting it in the internet capable one, making a CD with the files on it, and then switching the drives back. So for right now I cant check for ID conflicts.

I plan on doing another editing and addition section in the next couple of days because I have to do some more research (I need more event coverage of the late 1400s and a few other places). When I get around to that, I will go through and modify event numbers because I will probabaly be moving events around and need to renumber anyway.

 

[AlanC9]

I haven't been able to play it much - I'm having stability problems with 1.04 (corrupted autosaves really suck). But I noticed that 50007 (Joan takes command) drops the offensive rating by one. In this era that will only hurt France; since they can't build artillery yet and won't get to the +1 siege rating, the only effect will be to lower army morale.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

ryoken69 - I have received your e-mail with the revised events, but I will be really busy for the next couple of days & may not be able to over them in any detail until the end of the weekend. I did read over your post on the changes, & it all looks very good. You have really done an excellent job with France!

 

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Johnny Canuck - Thanks
AlanC9 - You mean 1.04 didnt fix that. WTF?

 

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I have a suggestion - an event that can switch the Alsace province culture to French. Demographically it's debateable which it should be... historically, it was culturally mixed, but it WAS part of the HRE and Germans were the local rulers most of the time, but as France became a nation-state, the French residents slowly became more powerful and by the XVIII century it was generally regarded (at least by the French) to be part of France.

On my own machine, I've edited the major_fra file to add an event, triggered by the Chambers of Reunion event (1676) choice A only, and even then it only works if France owns Alsace at that time. (Since I didn't think it was historically accurate for it to have French culture much before that time, and a lot of it was because the French were actually in power in the area.) Here's what it does:

Choice A. gives Alsace French culture, but reduces the population and tax value, and causes a revolt.

Choice B. keep Alsace German, moving a smaller chunk of the population and tax value over to Lorraine (assuming it's also part of France), and gives France a -2 stab hit

Choice C. gives Alsace French culture and independence as a French vassal, with France taking a -1 stab hit.

- Just a suggestion!

 

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Well, I just finished a massive addition to my event file. There were essentially four changes.

1. Changed the event IDs to the 1350000s to ensure no overlap.

2. Added 33 French revolution events, deleted corresponding original events.

3. Added 17 colony-related events.

4. Added a version number to make it easy to tell which file you have is the most recent. All previous versions will be considered version 1. This file is version 2.0

As soon as I can open my e-mail and send it, I will send out the updated version.