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I am leader of the Ouchi clan and we are at war with the Hosokawa.

I am in 1483, and have been at war with them for the entire game and I am getting a bit bored of it. THe war has gone my way so far, but I have lost a lot of troops and could see the tide turning. Therefore I woudl like to conclude a peace treaty.

There is a problem - none of the diplomatic options seems open to me; white peace, concede defeat and even subjugation.

OUr relations are at -75 and I did try to assasinate the leaders son.

Any ideas why peace is not possible, what can i do to change things?

Is there any attribute I could change in the save file to make peace more likely? I really an bored of this war!
 
Would assassinating the leader really make any difference?

In other paradox games it is more clear what is necessary to achieve peace. I think you are normally given a war score, sengoku is a a bit opaque.
 
The main thing the AI in Sengoku considers is the relative military strenght. If the Hosokawa are still bigger than you and feel they can still crush your forces then they are very unlikely to want any peace. What other things could potentially change their mind would be if they are in a war with other clans, and can't handle them all, or if they run out of money and their vassals start disliking them.
 
You may try to move other clans into attacking Hosokawa that will tilt the scales of balance in your favor once you sue for peace. Darth hit the nail: the AI won't accept peace if the strenght values are in its advantage but there's also times when a smaller AI will simply refuse and prefer to be crushed to oblivion.
If you want peace, keep crushing them and sooner or later they will accept.
 
I've found that a targeted attack against the enemies honor has a useful impact on their ability to sustain war. The AI will try to lower defenses often against the targeted player. However, if you focus on the head of the snake by lowering honor to a threshold where they need to placate vassals, spend money purchasing honor which affects levy maintenance, less money for ninja against you, and if low enough causing animosity among neighbors.
 
Karklos said:
There is a problem - none of the diplomatic options seems open to me; white peace, concede defeat and even subjugation.

OUr relations are at -75 and I did try to assasinate the leaders son.

Any ideas why peace is not possible, what can i do to change things?

Is there any attribute I could change in the save file to make peace more likely? I really an bored of this war!
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Your warscore is too high to surrender, but not high enough to force a peace.

As GShock and JaguarXJ6 recommend, try to invite other allies in via a plot. Or, hit the clan leader's honor with ninja, to encourage defections or a civil war. These are my 2 preferred methods when I'm fighting a larger power like the Uesugi, especially if they're Buddhist with nearly inexaustable levies every year.

If neither of these is practicable ...Sit. Protect your borders and wait them out. Eventually, they will either lose so many troops attacking you in bad terrain, or get DOW'd by somebody on another front. that they will offer their own peace. (I think this can also happen after 5 years of no fighting.)
 
DarthJF said:
The main thing the AI in Sengoku considers is the relative military strenght. If the Hosokawa are still bigger than you and feel they can still crush your forces then they are very unlikely to want any peace. What other things could potentially change their mind would be if they are in a war with other clans, and can't handle them all, or if they run out of money and their vassals start disliking them.
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Why is it that so often the AI refuses to surrender (or even just concede defeat) when they're clearly beaten, with massive armies besieging their few remaining kori?
 
Mukashi said:
Why is it that so often the AI refuses to surrender (or even just concede defeat) when they're clearly beaten, with massive armies besieging their few remaining kori?
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It's quite mysterious. Sometimes they fight to the last man, and sometimes after you've beaten them they accept any peace treaty you're willing to give. Despite being adamantly against even white peace the previous day.
 
Facing an opponent 35% larger than me military and kori size (32% of Japan vs 48% of Japan), I blitzed 5 kori and held my ground.

Using the ninja/honor strategy, with a 16 Master of the Guard, swarmed them with 2-3 Ninja at a time like clockwork to lower their honor from 60+ down to 11 where they were ready to accept becoming my vassal.

The plot starting a war on their rear flank killed the beast as it started amassing stacks of doom (20K+ stacks) to retake and punish my insolence.
 
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