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I hope this doesn't sound too confusing !

The CK coat-of arms for Somerset is actually the true coat-of-arms for Bristol, not Somerset. The ship leaving port is a famous symbol for the city of Bristoland is even incorporated into the Gloucestershire County Cricket badge as they play most of their games in Bristol.........

The CK coat-of-arms for Devon is actually the true coat-of-arms for Somerset. It is known as the "golden dragon" and dates back to the Saxon kingdom of Wessex........this "golden dragon" is used as Somerset cricket club's badge........

So, that leaves us with a couple outstanding issues : What is the coat-of-arm's used by CK for Bristol ? To be honest, I have no idea, but as I've explained, it isn't Bristol's !

And finally, if CK's coat-of-arms for Devon, is actually Somerset's, then what is the correct coat-of-arms for Devon.......again, I know what it's flag is, but I'm not sure what it's historic coat-of-arms is............

perhaps someone else can plug the gaps........
 
Can you give sources for this information? Without trustworthy sources, things won't get changed.
 
I think there is more experience about this in here.

For graphics to be changed there has to be a very clear bug as the priority is on gameplay and such. The best way to have things like this changed is to do a more general mod, have people use it, have people like it, have betas like it and then lobby Johan to include it in patches.
 
With respect, these are very clearcut historical inaccuracies, and whilst I appreciate that the focus of the game is on gameplay, it still makes me cringe, as an Englishman, to see such famous emblems misrepresented.

For Bristol, see: http://members.lycos.co.uk/brisray/bristol/bvirtute.htm

For Somerset, see: www.burrows.co.uk/somerset/07TheM.htm


Both coats of arms are used to this day..........

To change these around would take 10 seconds of a patch-makers time and I would happily do it myself but it seems to be a little more complicated than the file system for flags etc in EUII........

A game which is so well-researched and which prides itself on historical accuracy really does deserve to be altered if that accuracy is compromised....
 
Well, there is a unified CoA project going on in here, where they correct all various historical errors there are. For example, the vanilla England CoA is historically inaccurate as well, as it has just two lions instead of three, but it still hasn't got changed in official patch yet, so I bet (but I don't know), that instead of changing one CoA in one patch and another in next, they will at some point incorporate generally approved unified CoA project into a patch. That is what happened with EU2 at least.
 
That's fair enough........I just hope these two make the final list !

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to reply.....

By the way, is there also an ongoing project to correct map errors ? As I've posted elsewhere I have a few issues with basque and castilian (and galician....) culture in northern "Spain"......there's a little mix-up between Vizcaya and Asturias de Santillana........
 
Byakhiam said:
For example, the vanilla England CoA is historically inaccurate as well, as it has just two lions instead of three...
Actually, England only had two lions until Richard I returned from the Third Crusade, when he added the third...

And they are leopards technically, not lions...
 
Yakman said:
And they are leopards technically, not lions...

Well. The pose they have (looking towards you) is heraldically speaking called leopard or lion passant guardant. The animal is a lion in both cases. It's just the name for the pose that is called leopard.

/Johan
 
Kings of Leon said:
I hope this doesn't sound too confusing !

The CK coat-of arms for Somerset is actually the true coat-of-arms for Bristol, not Somerset. The ship leaving port is a famous symbol for the city of Bristoland is even incorporated into the Gloucestershire County Cricket badge as they play most of their games in Bristol.........

The CK coat-of-arms for Devon is actually the true coat-of-arms for Somerset. It is known as the "golden dragon" and dates back to the Saxon kingdom of Wessex........this "golden dragon" is used as Somerset cricket club's badge........

So, that leaves us with a couple outstanding issues : What is the coat-of-arm's used by CK for Bristol ? To be honest, I have no idea, but as I've explained, it isn't Bristol's !

And finally, if CK's coat-of-arms for Devon, is actually Somerset's, then what is the correct coat-of-arms for Devon.......again, I know what it's flag is, but I'm not sure what it's historic coat-of-arms is............

perhaps someone else can plug the gaps........


This one could be used for Devon:

Reviers01.gif

Baldwin de Reviers, Earl of Devon

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For Somerset the arms should only be a dragon without the mace
 
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That Bristol CoA thing has always bothered me (see my location ;)) I just used to switch Somerset and Bristol around as I couldn't care less about what those somersetians used.
The CoA used for Bristol is some Gloustershire thing of sorts, theres a pub near me called the Gloucester Arms which uses it on its sign.
The arms the traditional county of Glos. these days is:
gloucesc.jpg

Or something like that.