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hrm...installed EU2, newest patch etc, but the game seems to freeze while initializing the graphics...if it happens to actually go past that, the game will freeze randomly (at its own will)...i have not actually been able to start a single game...i originally started off with multiplayer games, frozen...then i went to single player...frozen...i get the screen, but the mouse fails to move and my hdd indicator goes off, as is the case with all freezes...
my system is:

Pentium II 400
128MB RAM
12.6GB HDD
STB Velocity 4400 (lol)
Voodoo2 (old system, huh?)
have DirectX 8.1 installed
fragmented HDD about 1.5 weeks ago
have reinstalled EU2 in different folders, but nothing happens

-peter
 
anyone out there? i still cant play the game...
 
Originally posted by rpckvv
anyone out there? i still cant play the game...
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At the time you posted your original message I was in bed... It was 12:30am in my time zone you know... ;)

Ok. Freeze problem are usually dependent on either memory, or video drivers (sometimes, it can also be sound drivers).

Do you have problems with other applications? Frequent freeze or crash in Windows? What is the version of Windows you are using (98 or ME?) If you already have the latest drivers, you might to have to do a "cleansweep" uninstall before applying the new ones. We'll try that if nothing else works.

Defrag your drive again, it could be worth it, also check the Running problems thread.
 
Same crash for me... looks like the old "hardware/software" mouse problem...

EU one works great. glad to hear that i can disconnect the videos... too much when you want to jump in between jobs to play.

win xp with 900 MB ram, P3 800, ms optical mouse, ATI All in wonder 128 with 32MB.

tried all the disconnects too. no music; tried lowering video hardware response; checked DX; checked the air in the tyres. had offed the AVI thing by renaming the binky exe file. installed a Daemon cd file as a workaround... nothing.

by the way, the CD disk had a small scratch on it out of the box... i had to clean it down to get an install, and i'd thought that was the problem at first.

this is, like, crash number 9, and i'm returning the game to software etc... by the time the patch is up, comp will have the game for 10 dollars cheaper.

from the manual and all it looks like a great game.

bummed in bummolulu
 
Originally posted by oranjemike
Same crash for me... looks like the old "hardware/software" mouse problem...

EU one works great. glad to hear that i can disconnect the videos... too much when you want to jump in between jobs to play.

win xp with 900 MB ram, P3 800, ms optical mouse, ATI All in wonder 128 with 32MB.

tried all the disconnects too. no music; tried lowering video hardware response; checked DX; checked the air in the tyres. had offed the AVI thing by renaming the binky exe file. installed a Daemon cd file as a workaround... nothing.

by the way, the CD disk had a small scratch on it out of the box... i had to clean it down to get an install, and i'd thought that was the problem at first.

this is, like, crash number 9, and i'm returning the game to software etc... by the time the patch is up, comp will have the game for 10 dollars cheaper.

from the manual and all it looks like a great game.

bummed in bummolulu
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if your cd has a scratch, you should return it to where it was bought.

for your crash thing, try with a regular mouse (any cheap mouse should do the trick) to see if you get the same thing.

What kind of computer have tires? :D I knew they had racks to make them portable, but I just didn't know about the tire! ;)

The crack is to bypass the anti-piracy software, when the game doesn't load at all. If you get to the point were you have a crash, it might not be that.

Do you have the latest drivers for video and audio?

I might come up with something else during the night, but if I don't, I'm sure Nabil (SF tech support) will find something. :)
 
Originally posted by viper37


if your cd has a scratch, you should return it to where it was bought.

for your crash thing, try with a regular mouse (any cheap mouse should do the trick) to see if you get the same thing.

What kind of computer have tires? :D I knew they had racks to make them portable, but I just didn't know about the tire! ;)

The crack is to bypass the anti-piracy software, when the game doesn't load at all. If you get to the point were you have a crash, it might not be that.

Do you have the latest drivers for video and audio?

I might come up with something else during the night, but if I don't, I'm sure Nabil (SF tech support) will find something. :)

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the translation into cd image (not a crack) was just to see if there was a problem with the CD. i din't write the game, so i have to be creative to find a solution for a problem that many people seem to be having with this game. i had alot of problems with EU 1 when it came out, and they eventually got fixed. i've been playing EU 1 for weeks now on this system with no problems.

of course i have the latest drivers, and have disabled mouse enhancements and sound and avi. basically, i've had to disable the entire game in order to play it... nice mental game, but i'd have more fun if i could play it on the computer. =)
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The way I see it, it depends on your CD-ROM that is incompatible with the copy protection software. Many people who reported having the problem figured it was their CD drive. Whether it is the drive or the anti-piracy thingie causing the problem, I won't comment ;) .

Can you try to install it and play on another computer, just to see if it will work? Did you try ejecting the CD and put it back in before it crashes?

Eu 1 and EU 2 don't use the same copy protection software. For the first game it was Safedisc, for the second it's Securom. Strategy First will probably come up with a patch to fix copy protection issues at some point.

With Win 2000, you needed administrator priviledges to run the game. Is their something like this in XP? (the PRO version probably have it but you didn't specify...)
 
Originally posted by viper37
The way I see it, it depends on your CD-ROM that is incompatible with the copy protection software. Many people who reported having the problem figured it was their CD drive. Whether it is the drive or the anti-piracy thingie causing the problem, I won't comment ;) .

Can you try to install it and play on another computer, just to see if it will work? Did you try ejecting the CD and put it back in before it crashes?

Eu 1 and EU 2 don't use the same copy protection software. For the first game it was Safedisc, for the second it's Securom. Strategy First will probably come up with a patch to fix copy protection issues at some point.

With Win 2000, you needed administrator priviledges to run the game. Is their something like this in XP? (the PRO version probably have it but you didn't specify...)
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ah, vee are not making ourself so clear. the game starts up, and when i get to the map screen i can sometimes (sometimes not) move the cursor around for about 7 clicks until the entire system freezes... i have to do a re-boot. when the machine boots it goes through the disk check, something which doesn't happen with a video memory load in EU 1.

i don't have a problem with copy protection: the game loads fine from CD (plexstor) or from the disk image. in either case, though, it's crash, crash, crash.

(by the way, i always buy these stupid games retail; both for the upgradeable exe and for the book. it's not my fault that the publishers protect their product with protecties... but, i'm not going to indulge them with 3 minute CD load, and check, just so they can have a nice day. i'm not. (i'd stopped playing MS games for that reason.)

i don't want to start a discussion about piracy, but i doubt that an a twelvth of the warez-abouts would actually buy these games if they couldn't get them free. for shure, they aren't able to do the up-date patches with their cracked files, so how deep can they be into the games? )
 
If you want to discuss about copy protection you should do so on SF forum, it's the publisher decision whether or not to include that kind of thing. If you want to discuss it on these board, head for the OT forum, a lot of people might appreciate this kind of topic :)

Ok, so, Plextor shouldn't be a problem. But as I said, if the CD had a scratch, no matter how minor, you should return it for exchange.

When you disable your sound card, does it stops crashing?

If you go to Control Panel, System, Performance, File System, Troubleshooting and disable almost everything (start by disabling everything, then reenable one at a time), does the game run?
 
Originally posted by viper37
If you want to discuss about copy protection you should do so on SF forum, it's the publisher decision whether or not to include that kind of thing. If you want to discuss it on these board, head for the OT forum, a lot of people might appreciate this kind of topic :)

Ok, so, Plextor shouldn't be a problem. But as I said, if the CD had a scratch, no matter how minor, you should return it for exchange.

When you disable your sound card, does it stops crashing?

If you go to Control Panel, System, Performance, File System, Troubleshooting and disable almost everything (start by disabling everything, then reenable one at a time), does the game run?
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i thought copy protection was the crash issue for most of these people. there are lots of posts you can read about this. the reason for writing the post was that the program is crashing. one of the things which i did beforehand is disable the soundcard and change video cards, and lower the parameters for all file and video services. as i mentioned in my posts i'd done all the disabling and troubleshooting. someone even suggested that i use a simpler mouse. this is a simple DX program. not even the intense 3d programs require this much manipulation to get them to run. the program is not working on mine or several other's machines. this is not the first time that this has happened to someone in the world with a game.
 
Originally posted by oranjemike


i thought copy protection was the crash issue for most of these people. there are lots of posts you can read about this. the reason for writing the post was that the program is crashing. one of the things which i did beforehand is disable the soundcard and change video cards, and lower the parameters for all file and video services. as i mentioned in my posts i'd done all the disabling and troubleshooting. someone even suggested that i use a simpler mouse. this is a simple DX program. not even the intense 3d programs require this much manipulation to get them to run. the program is not working on mine or several other's machines. this is not the first time that this has happened to someone in the world with a game.
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I'm not saying copy protection is not the problem, I'm saying if you want to complain about it, e-mail Strategy First, they are the ones putting this on the CD, not Paradox. Comments like:
i don't want to start a discussion about piracy, but i doubt that an a twelvth of the warez-abouts would actually buy these games if they couldn't get them free. for shure, they aren't able to do the up-date patches with their cracked files, so how deep can they be into the games? )
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really belong on SF's web site or to be sent in an e-mail. Even if you were 5000 to post that kind of thing here, you would be ignored. However, sending that kind of e-mail, or posting this of SF site and other publisher's site, might contribute to change their mentality one day. If a majority of customers were complaining on the publisher's site, they couldn't help but notice. However, the company making the copy protection software, will always claim it's your hardware's fault. In one way, it is true, but who's to blame when your game doesn't work with std hardware?

Your problem:
Some people experiencing crash at the beginning of the game said it depended on their CDs, can you try to swap your CD-ROM with another machine?

If you can't do it, or if doing it, I would suggest you e-mail Strategy First, they might have a fix or soon get one.
 
Originally posted by viper37


I'm not saying copy protection is not the problem, I'm saying if you want to complain about it, e-mail Strategy First, they are the ones putting this on the CD, not Paradox. Comments like:

really belong on SF's web site or to be sent in an e-mail. Even if you were 5000 to post that kind of thing here, you would be ignored. However, sending that kind of e-mail, or posting this of SF site and other publisher's site, might contribute to change their mentality one day. If a majority of customers were complaining on the publisher's site, they couldn't help but notice. However, the company making the copy protection software, will always claim it's your hardware's fault. In one way, it is true, but who's to blame when your game doesn't work with std hardware?

Your problem:
Some people experiencing crash at the beginning of the game said it depended on their CDs, can you try to swap your CD-ROM with another machine?

If you can't do it, or if doing it, I would suggest you e-mail Strategy First, they might have a fix or soon get one.
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sorry, i thought this was the support forum for EU. i've posted already that the game loads both with CD and with a hardrive image. it's when the game opens... this means that it's gone through the loading of the particulars and the chosen scenario... that the game freezes up. simply put, this is the same problem that the originator of this thread had. i don't know hoo you are, so i can't presume you're connected with the game in more than a casual way, but so far you've only suggested that i follow your original suggestion... which came from a misreading of our posts... and have sead some stuff about what i should or shouldn't say about copy protection... a topic intimately connected with this EU2 game, evidently, and one which people are complaining of. i would suppose, after realizing that you haven't much to say, that the point in posting here is that the programmers might hear a rumour about the file, from your complaining about the posters' rudeness, perhaps, and feel moved to at least worry that something is wrong with this release of the game. otherwise i can't understand the level of "if your CD is scratched, return it" support. am i supposed to print and mount platitudes on my wall for inspiration while i look at the non-playable game disc?
 
you talk about me not reading your post, but apparently, you're not better than me.

I've said that someone experiencing the same problem, you have, the game loading and immediatly crashing was due to a CD-ROM drive incompatibility.

Now, if you don't like the level of support you are getting here, try the "Support Options" thread, it is there on purpose. You'll find other support alternative than this forum, you'll have Paradox e-mail, you'll have SF e-mail and you'll have SF boards.
 
Oranjemike:

There is something on your machine, software or hardware that is conflicting with EU2.
If it was just the game then *all* purchasers would have the same trouble.
Viper has done his best to try to help you It is very difficult diagnosing problems at long range.
You may say what you like about the copy protection (I have had my say too!) but, as Viper pointed out, the Strategy First website is the place to do it. That is because it is Strategy First that have added the copy protection and *not* Paradox.
Incidentally - if I had bought a game with a scratched CD then I too would have returned it. I certainly would not have "cleaned it down" to try to repair it. In view of the tone of your posts I cannot understand why you did attempt it either.
The "cleaned down" CD might be the root cause of the problem. One of the files transferred to your HDD could be corrupted. I would think it made sense to see to an visible possible cause before trying anything else.
Whether or not you return the CD is up to you. However as you are not satisfied with the level of Support here then please go to the "Support Options" thread mentioned. It is apparent that we can not help you any further.
Thank you.
 
Originally posted by viper37
you talk about me not reading your post, but apparently, you're not better than me.

I've said that someone experiencing the same problem, you have, the game loading and immediatly crashing was due to a CD-ROM drive incompatibility.

Now, if you don't like the level of support you are getting here, try the "Support Options" thread, it is there on purpose. You'll find other support alternative than this forum, you'll have Paradox e-mail, you'll have SF e-mail and you'll have SF boards.
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you can say this is what's going on, or you can say that jupiter's aligned with mars. neither myself or the original poster had a problem with CD compatibility. i've mentioned this several times to you. i could say that you were not able to understand the nature of otherness. but, so what?

so, "support" means what? support for which button to push? is that it? so, how come most of the posts are about how people can't get the game to run so that they can find the little buttons? you remind me of the support techs at Hercules. i got a bad card from them, and they kept telling me i hadn't installed the card in the slot correctly. i was saying to them that i'd installed 16 cards on my machines over time, and that i'd re-inserted this particular card eight times. the new card booted fine, but i won't buy another Hercules product. the new EU2 disk doesn't play fine. mystery to you, but just another rush-released game to me. another "age of sail 2". probably i'm wrong. thanks for the interview. ciao, baby.
 
Originally posted by Uglyduck
Oranjemike:

There is something on your machine, software or hardware that is conflicting with EU2.
If it was just the game then *all* purchasers would have the same trouble.
Viper has done his best to try to help you It is very difficult diagnosing problems at long range.
You may say what you like about the copy protection (I have had my say too!) but, as Viper pointed out, the Strategy First website is the place to do it. That is because it is Strategy First that have added the copy protection and *not* Paradox.
Incidentally - if I had bought a game with a scratched CD then I too would have returned it. I certainly would not have "cleaned it down" to try to repair it. In view of the tone of your posts I cannot understand why you did attempt it either.
The "cleaned down" CD might be the root cause of the problem. One of the files transferred to your HDD could be corrupted. I would think it made sense to see to an visible possible cause before trying anything else.
Whether or not you return the CD is up to you. However as you are not satisfied with the level of Support here then please go to the "Support Options" thread mentioned. It is apparent that we can not help you any further.
Thank you.
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this is the kind of post that makes me think that people are mostly on drugs. you weren't there when i loaded the game; you didn't try to load it, and then find the scratch. you didn't rub the snot off it and then reload successfully. you didn't return the game, like i did, and get a new disk and have it still not load.

of course it is a software problem. i've been using software for 30 fortran plus years and can recognize a software problem. i assume the EU2 software is the problem, since i don't have this problem with any of the hundreds of other games i run. big mystery. what's your point? what is the actual function of this forum? is it a church? are you the pope?

bless me.
 
Originally posted by oranjemike


you weren't there when i loaded the game; you didn't try to load it, and then find the scratch. you didn't rub the snot off it and then reload successfully. you didn't return the game, like i did, and get a new disk and have it still not load.
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Exactly my point. We arent there and so it is very difficult to find the cause of your problem.
I too have been using software for 30 plus years and recognise that a lot of the loading faults are cause by the owners machine/configeration/hardware etc.
Originally you said that you had "cleaned down" the CD and didnt say you had returned it.
Now you say that you have exchanged it.
I am sorry but you sound like you are now making things up!
We have tried to help and we have pointed you to where you can get more help. If you do not want to go there then so be it.
Please do not troll here further
Thank You
 
Originally posted by Uglyduck


Exactly my point. We arent there and so it is very difficult to find the cause of your problem.
I too have been using software for 30 plus years and recognise that a lot of the loading faults are cause by the owners machine/configeration/hardware etc.
Originally you said that you had "cleaned down" the CD and didnt say you had returned it.
Now you say that you have exchanged it.
I am sorry but you sound like you are now making things up!
We have tried to help and we have pointed you to where you can get more help. If you do not want to go there then so be it.
Please do not troll here further
Thank You
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please don't patronize me. it's not that hard to see that the posts were posted over time, and that both activities transpired. your use of the word "troll" is very offensive. i'm still not able to play the game, inspite of exchanging discs and uninstalling and reinstalling. if you would read the first post of this thread you will see that i was seconding his experience, and giving you information.

i'm playing EU as a model of socio-economic situations. i suppose you are just playing it to win, and that's why the two of you are so aggressive. there is nothing you have to offer the technical discussion. a couple of months from now, when the patch is out that will allow the game not to lock up, you'll have your little dignity to sit on, and i'll have the game to play. this is not the first buggy release of a game, and you guys aren't the first mrs goose to have her feathers ruffled.

no further point in talking with either of you about anything.
 
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