Maybe events in the age of absolutism could nerf religious unity for Muslim Sultanates? As I understand it much of the breakup of the Mughal Empire can be blamed on sectarian strife, Shah Jahan beginning a trend of religious intolerance. I certainly agree that economic development in India ought to be quite high, I was thinking more a nerf to military tech (probably for RoW nations in general). In the campaigns of Clive and Dupleix, European soldiers were far more effective man for man then Indian ones, and in Child's war (I believe that was what you were referring to) I don't think the British fielded more than a thousand troops (not exactly a full scale invasion). Perhaps Trade companies could make use of a banner mechanic where they could cheaply raise high numbers of lower military tech troops (based on provincial institution level I guess) to simulate EiC use of native conscripts? Then High tech European troops could serve as the core of an Indian conscript army, more than powerful enough to fight Indian powers, but too low tech to effectively be used in European conflicts.That is indeed a general game thing. Tags mostly only grow in eu
Still huge blobs in India is not exactly ahistorical for the era either. I actually find they break apart a bit more in 1.23 but it’s part of the problem to be looked at.
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Because Islamic nawabates still held most of the power in the north well into the end of the game with the exception of the Sikhs which is hard to represent since Sikhism isn’t always in the Punjab. Besides, before the Indo-Pakistani split the north was more heavily islamicised than it is today.
It seems to me, there's really two aspects to historical indian weakness:
I think India needs more divide than it does now, the tiny states seem to be eaten up within 10 years of start especially in the south with Vijayanagar consolidating.You should step through the dates and see how it got to be that way
He’s not wrong though, in the north there was a solid Muslim presence. State borders don’t show everything.
That said, characterizing the rise of the Marathas as religious unrest is not quite accurate.
Please do keep the discussion going. My points here have mostly been:
If we want to see Europeans in India it’s not going to be a matter of buffs or nerfs. The ai simply isn’t up to the task of overseas expansion.
Yes in the late 1700s Europeans were superior in matters of war (most of all what separated European and Indian armies at that point was how they fought, things like infantry drill and light artillery, though within a few decades many Indian states actually adapted to this) and that certainly played a large part. Without the fracturing of the Mughal empire (most of all due to overextension after Aurangzebs very ambitious expansion) it is still uncertain if something like the eic expansion would’ve been possible
India in this era is of a particular interest to me so you can be sure I always read threads like these for ideas
You should step through the dates and see how it got to be that way
He’s not wrong though, in the north there was a solid Muslim presence. State borders don’t show everything.
That said, characterizing the rise of the Marathas as religious unrest is not quite accurate.
Please do keep the discussion going. My points here have mostly been:
If we want to see Europeans in India it’s not going to be a matter of buffs or nerfs. The ai simply isn’t up to the task of overseas expansion.
Yes in the late 1700s Europeans were superior in matters of war (most of all what separated European and Indian armies at that point was how they fought, things like infantry drill and light artillery, though within a few decades many Indian states actually adapted to this) and that certainly played a large part. Without the fracturing of the Mughal empire (most of all due to overextension after Aurangzebs very ambitious expansion) it is still uncertain if something like the eic expansion would’ve been possible
India in this era is of a particular interest to me so you can be sure I always read threads like these for ideas
You should step through the dates and see how it got to be that way
He’s not wrong though, in the north there was a solid Muslim presence. State borders don’t show everything.
That said, characterizing the rise of the Marathas as religious unrest is not quite accurate.
Please do keep the discussion going. My points here have mostly been:
If we want to see Europeans in India it’s not going to be a matter of buffs or nerfs. The ai simply isn’t up to the task of overseas expansion.
Yes in the late 1700s Europeans were superior in matters of war (most of all what separated European and Indian armies at that point was how they fought, things like infantry drill and light artillery, though within a few decades many Indian states actually adapted to this) and that certainly played a large part. Without the fracturing of the Mughal empire (most of all due to overextension after Aurangzebs very ambitious expansion) it is still uncertain if something like the eic expansion would’ve been possible
India in this era is of a particular interest to me so you can be sure I always read threads like these for ideas
