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Konig15

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Very simple question: Why is it that, at least with Britain has no events to establish themselves in India? I couldn't find them in the ENG.txt file at least. But furthermore, it seems the EEP map also has problems in giving European powers incintives to expand into India by populating the coasts. I played a game with England to 1710 and never had any reason to go there. Especially because Britain has no Indian cultures and different religion it seems India would be a liability. Is there something I missed, or next time should I just play the standard version with EEP events brought over?
 
Well, the reason other European powers don't have events for that sort of thing is because they never did, and it seems silly to give them events for that. I'm not so sure why there are not English events for the subjugation of India, however I'm not sure how much of India England controlled by the end of the timeframe. Would you like to provide some information that may help the team with scripting events?
 
History of India I know only three things: 1. Seepoy rebellion ended BEIC rule 2. The Brits were too stupid to shoot Ghandi and lost the Empire because of it.3. India's economic growth was stunted by socialism before Indira Ghandi's kid fianlly started moving toward Capitialism circa 1991.

However, if you load the regular game scenario Age of Revolutions and Napoleon's Ambition, lots of India is owned by the Brits. In Age of Enlightenment the French and Portugese are also there, and maybe the Dutch have a trading post on the mainland. And the Brits have cores on four prvinces on the east coast of India. Why there's no EEP event for it I can't imagine and the cores in reg. make me think maybe there were events but someone took them out, like the annexation of Hannover when George I accends to the throne (I think that event should have stayed.)
 
Just few ideas

Thanks for picking this point again. I wrote this some time ago since there are a lot of things missing in colonial sphere. It is not only English in India, but Carribic, more events for America, or even first touch of Pacific or Australia. More over there are other colonial players without next to any events. I am writing some ideas for Dutch if someone likes to develop it.

The decisive moment for the Dutch came in 1628, when the WIC successfully ambushed and captured the entire Spanish fleet which sailed annually to Europe laden with a year’s worth of treasure and plunder from the gold and silver mines of Peru and Mexico. It was an enormous capture even by present day standards: 177,357 pounds of silver, 135 pounds of gold, 37,375 hides, almost 8000 pieces of logwood, 235 chests of sugar, 2270 chests of indigo, 735 chests of cochineal (both valuable textile dyes), plus pearls and spices. The total take was worth fifteen million Dutch guilders. It was a turning point in the balance of European powers in the region: the Dutch and the WIC consolidated their power and Spain never fully recovered from the blow.

1628
Dutch: Marvelous!
+1000
+10 ships

Spain: These bastards are doing whatever they want with their local naval supremacy!
CB
-400 not all moneys of Spain crown

Curaçao gained

When Dutch footholds on Tobago, La Tortuga and Trinidad did not prove viable, the Dutch eyed the Spanish possession of Curaçao as a temporary base. In April 1634 the Heren XIX drew up a plan to seize Curaçao, along with the neighboring islands of Aruba and Bonaire. The conquest was carried out just three months later with a minimum of resistance from the Spanish. The neighboring islands of Aruba and Bonaire also came under Dutch control.
The Spanish tried unsuccessfully to retake Curaçao between 1634 and 1642.

When the Dutch seized Curaçao in 1634 the island was sparsely populated by Spaniards and the remainder of the original Amerindians who had not been carried off to Hispañola. Too arid to support much agriculture, and completely lacking any valuable minerals, “Curaçao was at this date nothing but a great cattle ranch.” Spain did not consider its loss to be a major blow and did not waste major resources either in defending the island or in orchestrating halfhearted attempts to recoup it from the Dutch.
The Dutch set up their first fortification at the mouth of St. Anna Bay, a narrow channel leading into the deep Schottegat harbor, in order to better defend the island. Together, St. Anna Bay and the Schottegat, formed an exceptionally good natural deep water harbor which could easily accommodate the Dutch fleets. Almost immediately they built the crude Waterfort, a simple garrison, right at the mouth of St. Anna Bay. The more elegant Ft. Amsterdam was built shortly thereafter just to the north, on the bay’s eastern shore. It complemented the defensive role of the Waterfort in protecting the island and also housed the administrative offices and residences of the island’s governing officials. To this day Ft. Amsterdam remains the seat of government of the Netherlands Antilles. There were separate barracks for the soldiers outside the forts.
The careful town layout, while ideal from a strategic point of view, severely limited possibilities for growth.
The initial expansion was for military reasons, to guard the fort's weak eastern flank. The first narrow streets, directly to the east and northeast of the fort, were probably laid out for strategic reasons, keeping in mind the direct line of fire of Ft. Amsterdam. The town was named after Prince Willem II, the Dutch Stadholder (the magistrate of the United Provinces of the Netherlands).
The first inhabitants of Willemstad were almost exclusively male WIC employees and soldiers. The earliest population figures, from October, 1635, list 412 Europeans — 350 soldiers, thirty-two sailors, twenty non-combatants and ten civil and military authorities
Immediately after they captured the island from Spain the Dutch deported almost all of the approximately 400 natives then living on the island to Venezuela, along with all the Spaniards

1634-1642
if Dutch has Tobago OR Tortuga OR some other places….

Convert tobago catholics
Secede tobago (tortuga respectively) to Spain
-200 people in tobago
gain curacao
-1000 people there
convert curacao to reformed
+412 people
fortress curacao (or two: fortress curacao)
gain refinery
gain 5 ships
-400 gold

Spanish
These bastards are doing whatever they want with their naval supremacy!
+1000 people in Venezuela

St Martin

Between 1630 and 1640 the Dutch seized St. Maarten, Saba and St. Eustatius in the northeastern Caribbean, further consolidating their regional trade base. “By 1640 the Dutch were clearly the most successful traders in the Caribbean, with settlements in northeast Brazil, Guiana and New York...

Dutch 1630-1640

If St Martin is in possetion of Spain

Dutch: lead the operation

gain St. Martin
-200 people in St. Martin
convert St. Martin to reformed
-400 gold
gain refinery

it is too costly
loose 5 ships, -50 gold due to logistic problems

Spanish: These bastards are doing whatever they want with their naval supremacy!
–1 stability
CB 4 mesice


New Amsterdam???

After 1664, when the British seized New Netherland and renamed it New York, the Amsterdam Chamber administered the island directly via a Governor who lived in and conducted business from Curaçao’s Ft. Amsterdam.

Is there any event for loss of New Amsterdam???

Antwerp lost

The conquest of Antwerp in the Southern Netherlands by the Spanish in 1585 speeded up this process of Dutch interest for naval expansion: skilled laborers, scientists, artists and merchants fled to the cities in the Republic, especially Amsterdam and Middelburg. Since Antwerp had been the main distribution-center in North-West Europe for spices from the East like sugar, wood and other tropical products, the knowledge (navigation, cartography) and the existing trade-contacts now came into Dutch hands.

Dutch
not owned Flanders 1585-1600

+2000 people all four provinces
+100 people some colonies
+20 transport
+1000 trade
+1 explorer
-20 relation with Portugal
-20 relation with Spain
It would be great if you would be able to change the level of traders in trading centres thus increasing trading power. There are more than enough reasons here:

Sugar-trade with the Canary Islands, Madeira, Sao Tome and Brazil, and salt trade at the Cape Verdian Isles, as well as some Caribbean isles and the coastal area of Venezuela (Punta de Araya), spread the Dutch over the Atlantic Ocean. Already before 1600 , more than one hundred ships sailed for Punta de Araya - mostly ships from the Dutch West Frisian cities Hoorn and Enkhuizen.


NAGASAKI

Sail for rich land of Japan:
Portugese gain
4 ships,
1 explorer,
and AI is somehow :-] directed for Japan

If Portugese know province of Nagasaki (should be easy to fullfill) than there is a chioce for:

Japan
Secede Nagasaki to Portugal
Nagasaki convert to catolicsm
One more random province convert to catolicsm
Gain: +5000 military, +5000 infra, +1000 trade, +1000 naval technology
stability –6 (shock to the system :)
+100 gold
---
-1 stability

Portugese
gain nagasaki
Francesco Xavier event
----
CB na japan, +1 misionar, +50

Francesco Xavier event
+6 misionaru,
-400 gold,
+luxury: golden cage,
+cot nagasaki

Difficulties in holding possetion should be several time:
Portugal
hold it: -1 stability; -50 gold
----
secede nagasaki: CB on japan, -50 gold, -100 relation with Japan

If Portugese “secede nagasaki” than

Japan:
Close the country
gain nagasaki province
-5000 people there (cristians killed)
-1000 people random province
-1000 people random province
-1000 people random province
convert nagasaki to state religion
convert rendom province as well
-200 gold
loose luxury
loose -cot
---
Just change for Duch traders
Trigger 01 (offer Nagasaki to Dutch)
-5000 people in Nagasaki (cristians killed)
-1000
-1000
-1000
convert nagasaki to state religion
convert random province as well
loose luxury
loose -cot

Holland receive the offer (Trigger 01)

Dutch
accept
gain nagasaki, gain refinery Nagasaki, -200 gold, +cot Nagasaki
---
-1 stability

Japan
Offer accepted
+200 gold, +2000 trade, naval, +1000 military, infra technology

Uff, hope someone will like it.
 
Tomas the Great said:
Hmm, hoped for some reply....
Sorry Tomas the Great, I ment to reply but forgot. EEP will not accept anything else than balancing stuff and bugfixes. Since EEP and AGC got merged development here was stopped, it would be silly to have two parallell mods. Please post your ideas in AGC-EEP merger discussion forum, the activity there is much higher and new meterial is constantly be accepted.