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The IDs are lacking at the moment, but if my idea for keeping Wales independent at start is accepted, here they are. Ireland will inherit Wales early in the game by default, so it's a Poland/Lithuania situation with monarchs - Irish names are translated into Welsh.
Events:

Code:
event = {
id = ???
trigger = {
exists = EIR
}
random = no
country =
name = " Y Llyw Olaf "
desc = " With the death of Maredudd ap Llewelyn in 1498, Wales was left without a prince. At the Convocation of the nobility in that year, it was decided to offer the crown to Domhnall, King of Ireland, so beginning Irish predonderance in all Welsh affairs. The candidature of Rhodri ab Iorwerth, who claimed descent from Owain Glyn Dwr's father, was dismissed, as was the proposal of a small party who favoured union with Brittany. "
style = 1
date = {day = 1 month = september year = 1498}
action_a ={
name = " Offer the Crown to Domhnall of Ireland "
	command = { type = trigger which = ???? }
#Irish event to vassalise Wales
}
action_b ={
name = " Offer the Crown to Rhodri ab Iorwerth "
	command = { type = trigger which = ???? }
	command = { type = sleepmonarch which = ???? } #Dyfnwal (Domhnal)
	command = { type = sleepmonarch which = ???? } #Art
	command = { type = sleepmonarch which = ???? } #Art
	command = { type = sleepmonarch which = ???? } # Con Cloff (Conn Bacach)
	command = { type = wakemonarch which = ???? } # Rhodri
	command = { type = wakemonarch which = ???? } #Maredudd
#Irish event to either gain core on Wales or leave it alone
}
action_c ={
name = " Offer the Crown to Anne of Britanny "
	command = { type = trigger which = ???? }
#Breton event to inherit Wales immediately to save on monarchs
}
}

event = {
id = ???
trigger = {
event = [the Irish event to vassalise Wales]
vassal = { country = EIR country = WLS }
}
random = no
country =
name = " Undeb y Deutu - The Irish Union "
desc = " The union of Wales with Ireland took place in 1532, with the dissolution of the independent Welsh parliament, followed by the proclamation of supremacy of Irish law over Welsh and the required use of the Irish language in courts of law. Although the measures caused some degree of resentment, there was no serious attempt at resistance. "
style = 2
date = {day = 1 month = january year = 1532}
offset = ? 
deathdate = ?
action_a ={
name = " Accept the Union "
	command = { type = trigger which = ???? }
#Ireland annexes Wales in exchange for a small increase in RR
}
action_b ={
name = " Reassert Welsh Independence "
	command = { type = breakvassal  which = EIR }
	command = { type = stability   value = 2 } 
	command = { type = relation   which = EIR value = -200 }
}
}

event = {
id = ???
trigger = {
owned = 244
NOT { domestic = {type = serfdom value = 8} }
}
random = no
country =
name = " Welsh Ways Replace English Ways "
desc = " Long under Welsh rule since Owain Glyn Dwr's triumph, what had formerly been the western border counties of England gradually became more Welsh than English. In the towns particularly the Welsh language began to predominate as commerce re-oriented itself westward rather than eastward. "
style = 3
date = {day = 1 month = january year = 1600}
offset = 18000
deathdate = { day = 25 month = december year = 1819 }
action_a ={
name = " Excellent "
	command = { type = addcore which = 244 }
	command = { type = provinceculture which = 244 value = gaelic }
}
}
 
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...and here are the Welsh monarchs. We start with Owain Glyn Dwr, who's a bit too old to still be a leader in 1419.
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Owain Glyn Dwr"
	startdate = { year = 1400 }
	enddate = { 
		day = 4
		month = february
		year = 1423
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 9
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Gruffydd ab Owain"
	startdate = { 
		day = 4
		month = february
		year = 1423
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 20
		month = october
		year = 1439
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Llewelyn ap Gruffydd"
	startdate = { 
		day = 20
		month = october
		year = 1439
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 18
		month = may
		year = 1466
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Maredudd ap Llewelyn"
	startdate = { 
		day = 18
		month = may
		year = 1466
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 2
		month = september
		year = 1498
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Dyfnwal Clarach"
	startdate = { 
		day = 2
		month = september
		year = 1498
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 6
		month = august
		year = 1509
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Art ab Aedd"
	startdate = { 
		day = 6
		month = august
		year = 1509
	}
	enddate = { 
		year = 1513
	}
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Art Ifanc ap Con"
	startdate = { 
		year = 1513
	}
	enddate = { 
		year = 1519
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Con Cloff"
	startdate = { 
		year = 1519
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 17
		month = july
		year = 1559
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Rhodri ab Iorwerth"
	startdate = { 
		day = 2
		month = september
		year = 1498
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 5
		month = june
		year = 1537
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 5
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Maredudd ap Rhodri"
	startdate = { 
		day = 5
		month = june
		year = 1537
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 9
		month = november
		year = 1570
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 4
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Owain ap Maredudd"
	startdate = { 
		day = 9
		month = november
		year = 1570
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 14
		month = march
		year = 1596
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Cystennin ab Owain"
	startdate = { 
		day = 14
		month = march
		year = 1596
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 12
		month = may
		year = 1637
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Mihangel ap Cystennin"
	startdate = { 
		day = 12
		month = may
		year = 1637
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 16
		month = august
		year = 1665
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Llewelyn ap Mihangel"
	startdate = { 
		day = 16
		month = august
		year = 1665
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 1
		month = july
		year = 1691
	}
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no

}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Rhiannon merch Llewelyn"
	startdate = { 
		day = 1
		month = july
		year = 1691
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 3
		month = february
		year = 1711
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Owain ap Gruffydd"
	startdate = { 
		day = 3
		month = february
		year = 1711
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 1
		month = december
		year = 1751
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Emrys ab Owain"
	startdate = { 
		day = 1
		month = december
		year = 1751
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 16
		month = october
		year = 1777
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Geraint ab Emrys"
	startdate = { 
		day = 16
		month = october
		year = 1777
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 27
		month = may
		year = 1786
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = ???? }
	name = "Grufydd ap Geraint"
	startdate = { 
		day = 27
		month = may
		year = 1786
	}
	enddate = { 
		year = 1822
	}
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}
 
Will Wales only be the province of Wales or will Midlands be a part of it. If so I think Midland could have gaelic culture.

I hope Wales start with own monarchs, then suddenly one monarch dies without heirs, and Eire get the option to annex or re-vassalize Wales if they have broken the vassalation.
 
The inherit event could have longer time period for happening, perhaps up to 1820 even. Requirement of vasallization for an event that can happen in only one day of the game is tough. Think Spain's Aragon inheritance for example. Especially as that union event doesn't need to be tied to set date, imo.
 
Byakhiam said:
The inherit event could have longer time period for happening, perhaps up to 1820 even. Requirement of vasallization for an event that can happen in only one day of the game is tough. Think Spain's Aragon inheritance for example. Especially as that union event doesn't need to be tied to set date, imo.
The vassalisation event is meant to be a single day like the Habsburg inheritance of Hungary. The annexation event could have any offset value desired.
 
Byakhiam said:
The inherit event could have longer time period for happening, perhaps up to 1820 even. Requirement of vasallization for an event that can happen in only one day of the game is tough. Think Spain's Aragon inheritance for example. Especially as that union event doesn't need to be tied to set date, imo.

There is no vassallization requierment for the union event, the only trigger is if Erie exsists. You should rewrite it so that Brittany is not involved or change the trigger so that that event only goes if it exsists, so that C is not picked with no brittany.

You should look at event 200314 for scotland, it is sort of like this with cores involved, not annaxing. It also happens in 1470, not 1490, but it is just something to look at, or at least modify that.
 
I was talking about the second of the three events, where in A option Eire inherits Wales, so that more people won't misunderstand me. :p

Though having the first event with trigger to check that Brittany exists is a good idea, as while Brittany most likely exists, it would be silly in the rare case where Brittany doesn't exist and Wales picks C there. There's almost limitless lot of event ids so making multiple events with different triggers for it isn't that hard.
 
Byakhiam said:
I was talking about the second of the three events, where in A option Eire inherits Wales, so that more people won't misunderstand me. :p

Oh, yea, maybe I should read ALL the events ;) . Maybe an event where you tell Eire that its been elected king, then change the trigger of the annax event to this event. Right now how you have it written, all that needs to happen is the election event, no matter what is choosen, and a vasselization. If you write an Erie event, you can trigger it from that.

Also, you can have it happen in august, that does not matter, it just triggers in august not january.
 
Byakhiam said:
I was talking about the second of the three events, where in A option Eire inherits Wales, so that more people won't misunderstand me. :p

Though having the first event with trigger to check that Brittany exists is a good idea, as while Brittany most likely exists, it would be silly in the rare case where Brittany doesn't exist and Wales picks C there. There's almost limitless lot of event ids so making multiple events with different triggers for it isn't that hard.
It'd be easy to add another condition exists = BRI to the event and then adding another event duplicating it but with NOT exists.
 
The Impaler said:
It'd be easy to add another condition exists = BRI to the event and then adding another event duplicating it but with NOT exists.

Yes, preferably same with exists = EIR too, to cover all cases. Actions would need to differ slightly too.
 
yourworstnightm said:
Will Wales only be the province of Wales or will Midlands be a part of it. If so I think Midland could have gaelic culture.

I hope Wales start with own monarchs, then suddenly one monarch dies without heirs, and Eire get the option to annex or re-vassalize Wales if they have broken the vassalation.
My proposal is for Wales to have Wales and the Midlands at start. The event will change Midlands to Gaelic in the early C17th, if Wales still exists.
 
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The Irish events triggered by the Welsh offer and union. Are these Irish IDs free?
Code:
event = {
	id = 200633
	name = "The Crown of Wales"
	desc = " A parliament of Welsh nobles met on the death of Maredudd ap Llewelyn, the last native prince of Wales and after a short debate decided to invite King Domhnall to become Prince of Wales. He travelled to Wales to accept and was installed in September 1498. "
	
trigger = {event ????} #Welsh offer the crown
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1498 }

action_a = {
		name = "Claim it! "
		command = { type = vassal which = WLS }
}
}

event = {
	id = 200634
	name = "The Welsh Union"
	desc = " Conn Bacach effectively annexed Wales in 1532 by dismissing the Welsh parliament in Machynlleth, instead inviting its members to attend on him in Ireland. There followed the replacement of the Welsh with the Irish legal system and the establishment of Irish as the official language. Wales ceased to exist as an independent nation. "

deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1533 }

	action_a = {
		name = " Take full control of Welsh affairs "
		command = { type = inherit  which =  WLS }
		command = { type = addcore which = 243 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 3 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 4 }
}
	action_b = {
		name = " Ignore Wales for now - Focus on Irish matters "
		command = { type = infra value = 250  }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
}
}
Do we also want an event for Eire to gain cores on Wales if the Welsh choose to rebuff Domhnall and go with Rhodri or Anne, or not?
 
I think you can check whether or not those are free from latest Abe's Irish event file. Nobody is doing more of them currently, afaik.

Yes for cores. Having cores is fun and provokes conflict.
 
So do people think this should be put in? I'll happily put them in and change IDs etc. The only thing that worries me is that this will just make it even easier for scotland to take England and will weaken EIR slightly. The only way we'll say however is by testing and for now I think they should go in.
 
Scotland is being weakened by losing the Midlands. My suggestion originally was that Wales should be in alliance with Scotland, so preventing it from being attacked. The following AI event has been used in the BP AI mod to prevent Bavaria always being diplo-annexed by Austria, and the same could apply here. Or Wales could start as an ally of Eire, and with a RM with Scotland? Anyway the event would be:
Code:
event = { 
	id = ???? [any free ID]
	Trigger = {	ai = yes 
			vassal   = { country = SCO country = WLS }}
	country = WLS
	name = "AI_EVENT"
	date = { day = 10 month = January year = 1420 }
	offset = 2000
	deathdate = { day = 8 month = January year = 1450 }
	action_a = {
		name = "dummy"
		command = { type = breakvassal  which = SCO }
	        command = { type = stability   value = 6 } 
		command = { type = relation   which = SCO value = -200 }}}
If Wales started as an Irish ally, of course, we wouldn't need this.
 
Sorry, I thought Brittany owned Midlands. My bad memory. I'll first just put wales in then look at relations.

Could you do the inc file for wales? If not, could you tell me which settings etc. are needed.
 
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There is that event to vasallize Wales for Eire proposed already. Though I think having Wales as ally of Eire is useful to prevent Scotland from diploannexing it. Or at least make it unlikely.