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This is a duplicate post from the names thread.

It is rather sad that with 1.03 there are several Swedish names listed as finnish. Really, really bad, a real degeneration of the list :( "Ahmed" is not listed as an English name, altough it would be just as accurate addition to the list, as the vast majority of latest addition to Finnish names. Swedish names would be more common in the late 14th century, but for sure not during the first 300 years of this game.

Please remove the non-Finnish names from the list.
 
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It is rather funny that Hungarian surnames are present-day's Finnish first names and we have stupid Stone Age names like "Ikävalko". :D

Are you guys making a joke of us? :(
 
Grosshaus said:
Is this something that was fixed earlier but was "unfixed" with 1.03?
No, Finland had before 1.03 the names Havard had initially put into the list (and as I have said earlier, that list was a very good one, albeit a short one, but that is because the Swedish priests sent to convert Finland vigorously tried to root the devilish Finnish names away). For 1.03 a list of names was added to the Finnish name list after a suggestion made in the names thread. However the person who made the suggestion had apparently not even a vague idea on Finnish names, and he even admitted it himself. I amongst others protested aginst the adding of such names (most of which finns even can't pronounce, because they are so against "rules" of the language). Unfortunately that stupid list has now been added to 1.03 :(
 
Here are the complete finnish name lists according to 1.03b, I didn't remove any duplicates among the names:

Female names: Agda, Aino, Armo, Fuska, Hella, Helmi, Kielo, Kukka, Kunne, Läpsä, Lempi, Metta, Miksitär, Pilvi, Pyry, Rauha, Rikitsa, Sati, Suomi, Tuija, Vanamo, Kunne, Läpsä, Metta, Miksitär, Rikitsa, Suomi

Male names: Aarnikka, Asikko, Benne, Hannus, Harittu, Heikki, Henneke, Hinkki, Hintsa, Ihalempi, Ihanti, Ikälempi, Jeppe, Junkka, Jurva, Jussi, Jösse, Lauri, Lemetti, Matti, Miemo, Menikko, Mielentoive, Mielikko, Mielitty, Mielivalta, Mikko, Nisse, Olli, Paavali, Pentti, Reko, Satajalka, Satatieto, Sepi, Simo, Sunno, Susse, Titti, Toikka, Tuokki, Tuure, Tyssi, Uoti, Villi, Kalle, Aarnikka, Abjörn, Aimo, Ambjörn, Arvo, Asikko, Atsur, Benne, Björn, Bränneke, Ebbe, Finvid, Fit, Flörik, Gerika, Gödik, Göran, Götke, Gumme, Gunne, Guse, Hannus, Harittu, Heikki, Helge, Helvik, Henneke, Hinkki, Hintsa, Hyvälempi, Ihala, Ihalempi, Ihanti, Ikäheimo, Ikälempi, Ikäpäivä, Into, Jalo, Jeppe, Jofse, Jösse, Junkka, Jurva, Jussi, Kaukapäivä, Kettil, Kettilbjörn, Lauri, Lemetti, Lempi, Lindved, Mainio, Manne, Matti, Menikko, Mielentoive, Mielikko, Mielitty, Mielivalta, Mielus, Miemo, Mikko, Nisse, Oiva, Olli, Onni, Otso, Paavali, Pentti, Reko, Remar, Satajalka, Satatieto, Sepi, Seppo, Siglögn, Simo, Stig, Sunno, Susse, Tiidikka, Titti, Toikka, Toivi, Tuokki, Tuure, Tuve, Tyssi, Ukko, Uoti, Usko, Veli, Vesa, Villi, Voitto

As we can see, female names are very few compared to male names, though some names feature many times in male name list.

Then about some changes, I'll first quote Jarkko on the more names thread:
Jarkko Suvinen said:
I mentioned letters "d" and "g" as not being used in old Finnish, and gave an example. Forgot to mention the other letters not found in old Finnish: "b", "c", "f", "q", "å", "z". Those letter still these days gives a lot of Finns (outside the coastal area whose dialects can be said to be most influenced by swedish) a head-ache and their tongues get strained.

So thus these female names are unappropriate: Agda, Fuska.

And these male names, multipliers given if name appears more than once: Benne (x2), Abjörn, Björn, Bränneke, Ebbe, Finvid, Fit, Flörik, Gerika, Gödik, Göran, Götke, Gumme, Gunne, Guse, Helge, Jofse, Kettilbjörn, Lindved, Siglögn, Stig, Tiidikka

Jarkko Suvinen said:
Any names or words ending in any consonant (except is some cases n, r, s or t can be the last letter) are all borrowed words from other langauges.

No female name is in appropriate according to this, except Miksitär, but "-tär" is the equilevant of the english "-ess".

These male names are inappropriate, again with multipliers: Hannus (x2), Atsur, Helvik, Kettil, Mielus, Remar. Of these, only "Hannus" sounds finnish to me and would be a modern finnish name without the "s" in the end, so I would suggest fixing it to "Hannu". "Atsur" and "Mielus" sound slavic or baltic to me, I'm not sure, but they definetly don't sound finnish. "Helvik", "Kettil" and "Remar" sound very scandinavian.

I don't address Jarkko last 'hard' - 'soft' vowel point because no names that are left after taking above names away conflicts with it. Except Ikäheimo and Kaukapäivä, but they adressed for in next.

There are several names that have been made with combining two words and are always very descriptive. At least in modern language finns never give such as forenames. If researches comes up with a name like this, he / she should check is it an epiteth or not.

Male: Ihalempi (x2), Ikälempi (x2), Mielentoive (x2), Satajalka (x2), Satatieto (x2), Hyvälempi, Ikäheimo, Ikäpäivä, Kaukapäivä, Mielivalta

Also the male name Paavali (features in list twice) is obviously a biblical name and as such rather inappropriate for the pagan finns.

Missing from the male name list is perhaps the most famous finn from the middle ages: Lalli, who according to legend killed bishop St. Henrik.
 
Male: Ihalempi (x2), Ikälempi (x2), Mielentoive (x2), Satajalka (x2), Satatieto (x2), Hyvälempi, Ikäheimo, Ikäpäivä, Kaukapäivä, Mielivalta

Are all pre-Christian Finnish names.

I don't quite know how this evolved, I saw a list posted in the beta forum by Havard on somebody's suggestion and commented on it. I edited it so that most Swedish and biblical names were removed. Dunno what he did with the updated list, if anything.
 
Well, here are few names we thought up as appropriate:

Female: Tuovi, Terhi, Pihla, Vieno, Tuulikki, Venla

Male: Lalli, Ilmari, Tapio, Ahti, Väinö, Urho, Kaleva, Sampo

And changing the already listed names "Suomi" -> "Suoma" and "Hannus" -> "Hannu".
 
To compile it, names with biblical roots, scandinavian and slavic names removed, plus the names we found out not to be on the list before.

FEMALE
Aino, Hellä, Helmi, Kielo, Kukka, Lauha, Läpsä, Lempi, Mesi, Metta, Oiva, Pihla, Pilvi, Pyry, Päivi, Rauha, Sati, Suoma, Taimi, Terhi, Tuovi, Tuija, Tuuli, Tuulikki, Tyyne, Vanamo, Venla

MALE
Aimo, Armas, Arvo, Asikko, Hannu, Heikki, Hintsa, Ihanti, Into, Jalo, Jurva, Kaleva, Lalli, Lauri, Lemetti, Lempi, Miemo, Menikko, Mielentoive, Mielikko, Mielitty, Mikko, Onni, Otso, Pentti, Päiviö, Reko, Sampo, Satajalka, Satatieto, Seppo, Titti, Toikka, Tuokki, Ukko, Uoti, Urho, Veli, Vesa, Villi, Voitto, Väinö



Several names have been removed. Here are a few with explanations, just to show that research has been put in to this :)
-Aarnikka ~ "Arnes son"
-several of the "honorary" titles (for example Ikälempi = "The old Lempi") have been removed, they became common names much later than 11th century
-Olli, altough it sounds a proper finnish name and I would have bet it is a "true" finnish name, is in fact a version of Olaf

etc
 
Peksi said:
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It is rather funny that Hungarian surnames are present-day's Finnish first names and we have stupid Stone Age names like "Ikävalko". :D

Are you guys making a joke of us? :(


I personally know a guy whose name is Ikävalko. In today's Finland that's surname though.
 
Byakhiam said:
Here are the complete finnish name lists according to 1.03b, I didn't remove any duplicates among the names:

Female names: Agda, Aino, Armo, Fuska, Hella, Helmi, Kielo, Kukka, Kunne, Läpsä, Lempi, Metta, Miksitär, Pilvi, Pyry, Rauha, Rikitsa, Sati, Suomi, Tuija, Vanamo, Kunne, Läpsä, Metta, Miksitär, Rikitsa, Suomi

Male names: Aarnikka, Asikko, Benne, Hannus, Harittu, Heikki, Henneke, Hinkki, Hintsa, Ihalempi, Ihanti, Ikälempi, Jeppe, Junkka, Jurva, Jussi, Jösse, Lauri, Lemetti, Matti, Miemo, Menikko, Mielentoive, Mielikko, Mielitty, Mielivalta, Mikko, Nisse, Olli, Paavali, Pentti, Reko, Satajalka, Satatieto, Sepi, Simo, Sunno, Susse, Titti, Toikka, Tuokki, Tuure, Tyssi, Uoti, Villi, Kalle, Aarnikka, Abjörn, Aimo, Ambjörn, Arvo, Asikko, Atsur, Benne, Björn, Bränneke, Ebbe, Finvid, Fit, Flörik, Gerika, Gödik, Göran, Götke, Gumme, Gunne, Guse, Hannus, Harittu, Heikki, Helge, Helvik, Henneke, Hinkki, Hintsa, Hyvälempi, Ihala, Ihalempi, Ihanti, Ikäheimo, Ikälempi, Ikäpäivä, Into, Jalo, Jeppe, Jofse, Jösse, Junkka, Jurva, Jussi, Kaukapäivä, Kettil, Kettilbjörn, Lauri, Lemetti, Lempi, Lindved, Mainio, Manne, Matti, Menikko, Mielentoive, Mielikko, Mielitty, Mielivalta, Mielus, Miemo, Mikko, Nisse, Oiva, Olli, Onni, Otso, Paavali, Pentti, Reko, Remar, Satajalka, Satatieto, Sepi, Seppo, Siglögn, Simo, Stig, Sunno, Susse, Tiidikka, Titti, Toikka, Toivi, Tuokki, Tuure, Tuve, Tyssi, Ukko, Uoti, Usko, Veli, Vesa, Villi, Voitto

As we can see, female names are very few compared to male names, though some names feature many times in male name list.

Then about some changes, I'll first quote Jarkko on the more names thread:


So thus these female names are unappropriate: Agda, Fuska.

And these male names, multipliers given if name appears more than once: Benne (x2), Abjörn, Björn, Bränneke, Ebbe, Finvid, Fit, Flörik, Gerika, Gödik, Göran, Götke, Gumme, Gunne, Guse, Helge, Jofse, Kettilbjörn, Lindved, Siglögn, Stig, Tiidikka



No female name is in appropriate according to this, except Miksitär, but "-tär" is the equilevant of the english "-ess".

These male names are inappropriate, again with multipliers: Hannus (x2), Atsur, Helvik, Kettil, Mielus, Remar. Of these, only "Hannus" sounds finnish to me and would be a modern finnish name without the "s" in the end, so I would suggest fixing it to "Hannu". "Atsur" and "Mielus" sound slavic or baltic to me, I'm not sure, but they definetly don't sound finnish. "Helvik", "Kettil" and "Remar" sound very scandinavian.

I don't address Jarkko last 'hard' - 'soft' vowel point because no names that are left after taking above names away conflicts with it. Except Ikäheimo and Kaukapäivä, but they adressed for in next.

There are several names that have been made with combining two words and are always very descriptive. At least in modern language finns never give such as forenames. If researches comes up with a name like this, he / she should check is it an epiteth or not.

Male: Ihalempi (x2), Ikälempi (x2), Mielentoive (x2), Satajalka (x2), Satatieto (x2), Hyvälempi, Ikäheimo, Ikäpäivä, Kaukapäivä, Mielivalta

Also the male name Paavali (features in list twice) is obviously a biblical name and as such rather inappropriate for the pagan finns.

Missing from the male name list is perhaps the most famous finn from the middle ages: Lalli, who according to legend killed bishop St. Henrik.


I think that for example Mielus is an excellent middle-age Finnish name.
 
jaolhe said:
I think that for example Mielus is an excellent middle-age Finnish name.
But unfortutantely you are totally wrong :)

Mielus is the swedish shortened version of "Mielikkos son".
 
Back from the trip to my mother in law, which I spent reading and comapring the notes on three books of old Finnish name (hip hip hooray for libraries and mother in laws!). Here is an updated list:

FEMALE
Aamu, Aino, Hellä, Helmi, Ilta, Kielo, Kukka, Käpy, Lauha, Lempi, Läpsä, Mahla, Maija, Marja, Mesi, Metta, Oiva, Pihla, Pilvi, Pyry, Päivi, Päivä, Rauha, Sati, Sisko, Suoma, Taimi, Terhi, Tuovi, Tuija, Tuuli, Tuulikki, Tyyne, Tyyni, Vanamo, Venla, Vesa

MALE
Aatos, Ahma, Aimo, Armas, Arvo, Asikko, Ensio, Haapa, Hannu, Havu, Hintsa, Ihanti, Into, Jalo, Jurva, Kaleva, Kalevi, Kettu, Kolli, Lalli, Lauri, Lemetti, Lempi, Miemo, Menikko, Mielikko, Mielitty, Mikko, Oiva, Onni, Otso, Pentti, Päiviö, Rauha, Reko, Sampo, Satajalka, Satatieto, Seppo, Susi, Taimi, Tapani, Terho, Titti, Toikka, Toivo, Tuokki, Ukko, Uoti, Urho, Valta, Valto, Veli, Vesa, Villi, Voitto, Väinö



"Lempi", "Oiva", "Rauha", "Taimi" and "Vesa" are examples of a name that can be both female or male at that time (each of them actually even this day are names of both males and females, altough the most confusing names are Rauni and Rauno, which even this day are almost hald split between males and females; to bad the name is not suitable for this list as they are forms of either Ragnhild (females) or Ragnar (male)).

Initially I had taken Marja away from the list as it was so close to the biblical name Maria, but since Marja actually *is* an original finnish name, back it goes to the list :)

Heikki removed from the list, it is actually a form of Henrik.
 
I really hope by next patch some kind Patcher soul replaces the current list with the list compiled by Jarkko.

If not, at least it can be modded in.

How about making those honorary names (Ikälempi and such) into dynasties with assigned provinces to the finnish ones. It sounds better if you have high king of Suomi "Lalli Ikälempi" than "Lalli of Nyland".
 
Byakhiam said:
I really hope by next patch some kind Patcher soul replaces the current list with the list compiled by Jarkko.

If not, at least it can be modded in.

How about making those honorary names (Ikälempi and such) into dynasties with assigned provinces to the finnish ones. It sounds better if you have high king of Suomi "Lalli Ikälempi" than "Lalli of Nyland".

Swedes may not like the name "Lalli". But Jarkko's list is quite good. The names are somewhat stupid at the moment.