Formation of Lotharingian Empire: Lombardy

[panther-anthro]

Well I just thought I'd make a topic to discuss ideas, I have for how this might work, and why it should be able to happen. As Lombardy you have lots of cores in Italy, and because of the core events, you'll still have cores in Germany.

Anyway, Lombardy in general has a lack of events after 1550+ or so, so I thought I'd purpose an idea. Why can't Lombardy form the Italian Empire? That is to say, instead of it being a Kingdom. *Lombardy is already a Kingdom*. It would form the Lotharingian Empire, this mainly means. It would account for the fact, that it was both German, and Italian. It would take after the Kingdom of Lotharingia which was Italian, and German. So, I'll post up a map of it's general territory.

Mainly, this would give a Lombardy, that conquers all of Nothern Italy. *No other states but Lombardy in Northern Italy, so Genoa has to be dead* The ability to form Lotharingia as long as it owns all it's old territory, -switzerland etc-, Lorraine, Baden, and Northern Italy. To become Lotharingia.

 

[MattyG]

You are probably aware ofthe Lotharingia formation sequence in AGCEEP.

I am not.

Are there similarities for us here?

 

[panther-anthro]

You are probably aware of the Lotharingia formation sequence in AGCEEP.

I am not.

Are there similarities for us here?

Not really. They used a flag change, and a few extra cores. We're using the oppposite end of the empire, they used the dutch part. The dutch part mattered a lot less then the italian part. So, yea I know what their event chain for it is, and quite frankly, Lombardy could seize the title +5 BB probably *to represent extra cores being gained, and the fact that they'd gain Dutch Culture!*, or ask Bavaria. It's highly unlikely that Bavaria would accept though.

But yea, this is quite different from the Burgundian version in AGCEEP. This one focuses on a literal almost total recreation of Lotharingia. Lombardy technically owns more then 80% of the territory, once it takes northern italy! -it's missing it's the small parts of the Netherlands, and Lorraine-

 

[MattyG]

Not really. They used a flag change, and a few extra cores. We're using the oppposite end of the empire, they used the dutch part. The dutch part mattered a lot less then the italian part. So, yea I know what their event chain for it is, and quite frankly, Lombardy could seize the title +5 BB probably *to represent extra cores being gained, and the fact that they'd gain Dutch Culture!*, or ask Bavaria. It's highly unlikely that Bavaria would accept though.

But yea, this is quite different from the Burgundian version in AGCEEP. This one focuses on a literal almost total recreation of Lotharingia. Lombardy technically owns more then 80% of the territory, once it takes northern italy! -it's missing it's the small parts of the Netherlands, and Lorraine-

Sounds like a great idea ...

what happened to the Kingdom of Lotharingia historically?

 

[panther-anthro]

It had no heirs so it disintegrated. Brabant is the one who holds the title of Lower Burgundy, which is the only valid claim to the Kingdom, but it has no royal descent to it. So it's a blank title, that just ended up dying off historically via lack of a valid heir, which resulted in all the territories essentially breaking up into separate territories. Italy was absorbed into the crown of Germany though.

So, yea you have a blank Kingdom title, that is just as prestigious as Germany or France. That just needs someone to form it. I actually think that a resurgant Brabant, could be able to form it as well, but it'd have to win something like an epic war vs Bavaria for control of the Netherlands.

 

[LordInsane]

Italy was absorbed into the crown of Germany though.

Well, not exactly. The Kingdom of Italy was separate from the Kingdom of Germany, both in theory, and to a degree in practice (the Alps acted as a natural boundary that helped to make it seperate). This not being the same thing as the HRE being separate from Italy, since Germany=/=HRE until, in OTL, some time in the late 15th/early 16th century.

Historically, of course, most of Lotharingia did fall into Germany's hands directly, it's just that Germany (blame it on the HRE, most says) ended up not being the most united of states in Europe.

 

[panther-anthro]

Well that much is true, but I ment that in the 10th-12th century that The Kingdom of Germany, was also the Kingdom of Italy. Mainly, they were unified under one crown. If you look it up, you'll notice that I'm right. It was under the Franken Dynasty of Germany.

 

[LordInsane]

Well that much is true, but I ment that in the 10th-12th century that The Kingdom of Germany, was also the Kingdom of Italy. Mainly, they were unified under one crown. If you look it up, you'll notice that I'm right. It was under the Franken Dynasty of Germany.

Yes, that's what I meant. United under one dynasty, but as separate kingdoms. That is, one King, two Crowns .

 

[panther-anthro]

Yes, that's what I meant. United under one dynasty, but as separate kingdoms. That is, one King, two Crowns .

Well yes technically, but their an Empire at that time period so. Regardless, that's what happened.

But yea, it's what Lombardy, or Swabia for that matter should form as an 'Ultimate Goal'.

 

[MattyG]

Well yes technically, but their an Empire at that time period so. Regardless, that's what happened.

But yea, it's what Lombardy, or Swabia for that matter should form as an 'Ultimate Goal'.

Like it.

 

[panther-anthro]

I'll try and have some kind of basis for it up, after I finish the whole brandenburg succession thing. Lots of work left on that though really.