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It seems that Genoa is not playable in Crusader Kings, is this correct? The reason may be that Genoa was a 'Republic', yet I would point out that this was closer to oligarchy. It is true that several families shared the power, and that checks were in place so that no one could gain total control. Is this so unsimilar to the more dynastical realms of Europe, in which the traditions of chivalry also induced checks upon absolutism. The differing element is only the seeming lack of dynastical leadership, when in fact a group of families did actually rule.

Genoa was not a world separate from the chivalric principle that bound European culture together. The period of time covered by Crusader Kings is the height of Genoese accomplishment. Not only are the Genoese a taxi service for the crusades. By itself, the Genoese influence in Constantinople is worthy of note. It would seem like to play Genoa in Crusader Kings would be a fun deal for anyone... not just a zealous Genovese like myself. (grin)

Will anybody else try to mod the game to play a state like Genoa?

Thank you for your patience and responses.
 
For the last time: You play dynasties not nations.

I read this as a possible response to my question. I suppose it is not impossible for a dynasty to have come to power in Genoa. In scrutious analysis, many dynasties did come to power, they just did not last so very long, and their power was so checked by the nobles that they were not to be considered royals. Still they held the power. Doria, Negrone, Grimaldi, and others.

I am not chewing the rag here. Please do not take me as just another rant about playable nations. Thank you for your kind support.
 
Maybe Interesting Point

I do not know the victory conditions of Crusader Kings, but I suppose that survival is sine qua non. Since there today exists a Genoese dynasty in control of European soil, I question that they are not amongst the possible winners of the game. This is obtruse, but undeniable.

The nation is of course known as Monaco, and it is a principality held by the Grimaldi family from the 13th century. Prior to that the Grimaldis had been Guelph nobles in Genoa proper. (unlike the Dorias and Spinolas who were of Ghibelline faction.)

I only beg the consideration of the designers for Genoese playability in possible future versions.
 
Perhaps theese merchantrepublics could be like the knightly orders... you can have someone in controll of them, but the land is never really yours... you just get a quarterly dividend :)

..ofcourse you could CONQUER the relevant land... wonder what would then happen? :)

Merchants would be (?):

Venice (Mediterr)
Genoa (Mediterr)
Novgorod (nortsee)
Hansa (nortsee)
...others? (so who was trading between england-france-netherlands? I miss 2 trader nations..)
 
Originally posted by The camel
Perhaps theese merchantrepublics could be like the knightly orders... you can have someone in controll of them, but the land is never really yours... you just get a quarterly dividend :)

..ofcourse you could CONQUER the relevant land... wonder what would then happen? :)

Merchants would be (?):

Venice (Mediterr)
Genoa (Mediterr)
Novgorod (nortsee)
Hansa (nortsee)
...others? (so who was trading between england-france-netherlands? I miss 2 trader nations..)
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Novgorod if I don't recall incorrectly was a Real Principality during most of CK Time, not a Merchant Republic and Hansa, was a union of Principalities, Duchies, Free Cities(this shouldn't be playable I supposse).

Between France, Netherlands and England the Trader was the County of Flanders.
 
Honestly, what really is the difference between a republic and an Oligarchy? Not much as far as I can see.

Anyway, we must assume that the merchants have some pretty bbig advantages, like offering shipping to crusaders to the holy land- that will be worth a lot of cash. :D
 
Originally posted by GreatWarrior
The game better have Flanders or I am not buying it.
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It wont, Flandres was a vassal of the King of France. Only soveriegn dynasties will be playable. Sorry guess one less buyer for CK :(
 
Originally posted by John Poole
It wont, Flandres was a vassal of the King of France. Only soveriegn dynasties will be playable. Sorry guess one less buyer for CK :(
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in fact it was said that maybe some not very loyal with importance in MA can be playable, but not sure.
 
Originally posted by GreatWarrior
The game better have Flanders or I am not buying it.
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The counts of Flanders are in. Wether they are playable "out of the box" or not is still an open question. In any chance it should be an easy task to mod a scenario. :)
 
Originally posted by tuna
Yeah yeah, join the club. No Seljuks for me either ;)
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How can you have a game which claims to cover the Middle Ages, but omits the Seljuk Turks? Next thing someone will be telling me that the Mongols aren't in either... :(
 
Originally posted by Hajji Giray I
How can you have a game which claims to cover the Middle Ages, but omits the Seljuk Turks? Next thing someone will be telling me that the Mongols aren't in either... :(
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OF course they are there - just not playable... ;)
 
Originally posted by Havard
OF course they are there - just not playable... ;)
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Sorry, but I don`t trust the AI, never did, never will ;)

And to be perfectly honest, I`m thinking more about the MP than anything else. Who am I gonna play in MP games? Christian Cumans forever? <frantically looks for the rolleyes smiley>
 
Re: Maybe Interesting Point

Originally posted by iGenovese
I do not know the victory conditions of Crusader Kings, but I suppose that survival is sine qua non. Since there today exists a Genoese dynasty in control of European soil, I question that they are not amongst the possible winners of the game. This is obtruse, but undeniable.

The nation is of course known as Monaco, and it is a principality held by the Grimaldi family from the 13th century. Prior to that the Grimaldis had been Guelph nobles in Genoa proper. (unlike the Dorias and Spinolas who were of Ghibelline faction.)

I only beg the consideration of the designers for Genoese playability in possible future versions.
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Wrong. The last sovereign of Grimaldi stock, Louise Grimaldi, died without children, and so the principality of Monaco came into the House of her husband Jacques de Gouyon-Matignon.

To this day the ruler is a Matignon, even if they still ceremonialy bear the name of "Grimaldi"

Kevin
 
Originally posted by MacRobert
Won't be to hard to mod in, I guess. I don't know yet, but if its like EU2 (or even slightly close) then don't worry :D
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It might be harder than one would think, since it looks like there won't be any Genoese dynasties...

Kevin
 
Originally posted by Eochaid
It might be harder than one would think, since it looks like there won't be any Genoese dynasties...

Kevin
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I'm not so sure about that. The way I understand it, if you're going to mod the game, you can create a dynasty that controls the Genoese lands, and play that dynasty as you would any other in the game. This of course wouldn't necessarily be an accurate representation of how the Genoese state operated historically, but at least you'd be able to play them.... ;)
 
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