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PLEASE READ AND HEED !!

I really would ONLY like to hear from the devs on this for a bit: say maybe the first 3-4 replies cause i'm really exceptionally not to happy right now.

I'm playing Germany start date 1933. I've used the following cheats "nofog" event 1011, event 1012, event 1009, and energy,metal, rare, supplies, money manpower and oil.

These were used to various degrees to actually get up to 1939. I have NO damn idea how others get the game to where they actually do BEAT the poles within a month.

I cant. I keep running up against POLES who have 150% attack and defense against type 3 inf with spart, type 7 tanks with SPART, heavy tanks with SPART, Mot with SPART, cav type 3 with SPART. I had over 85 inf divisions in groups of 3 -9. I had 8 corp level of cavs. I had 5 corp of type 7 tanks. I had 3 heavy tank corp. I had 5 cas of 4 each to run intervention missions and 8 tac bomb groups of 4 each to also run intervention missions against the provinces that i was attacking.

I attacked with minimum of 3-4 :1 odds in my favor against the poles.

I followed the battle in Sawaalki I don't spell well...

I had 2 cass, 1 tac bomber, 3 cav corp, 1 6 div mot army with HQ, I had 1 9 div of 8 cav with 1 HQ. I had 3 type 7 tanks corp doing support attack mission. the cass and tac bombers did intervention missions. after a week, I LOST the battle and lost 29600 troops and the 3 polish infantry divisions that had 2 AC brigades attached only lost 934 troops.

WTF???????

I also can make improved SMG, lvl 4 infantry. lvl 3 cav. lvl 2 SPART, lvl 3 art, lvl 3 CAS, lvl 2 heavy tanks, lvl 2 medium tanks (type 7), my tanks have sloped armor.

I have army and airforce planning already and advanced parts. new compounds and basic computers, average radar. Most of the land doctrines, 86% of all the air doctrines. All aircraft are already at the "improved' level. Navy is at 3rd or 4th level. I even have torp boats.

I so much like the awesome tech tree and i'm ok with so much of what i see, but HOW THE HELL do the devs rationalize how little Poland with it's inadequate armed forces can battle after battle defeat 3 times the manpower and armor or a revitalized Germany... I do not understand that?


I really want a dev to explain to me how the small Polish army can defeat my Germans.

Oh and this is the FORTH time that i have been defeated by the Polish starting when the Danzig or WAR event fires historically.

Oh yeah.. I also want to know how it is that the Poles have a attack/defense percentage of 110-150/150 all the time, but my Germans with Giving the Germans a "offensive supply" click my attacking Germans only get a attack of 55%??

And what is this -50% to -60% for a damn attack of a province with a river separating them.

DO NOT try to tell me that if i have German Infantry at lvl3 or 4 that they DO not know how to attack across a stream or river.


There are most definitely some major things messed up in this game that I downloaded.

I could see a polish win in a battle where maybe the ratio was even for both sides..... 3 German inf divs vs 3 Polish ones, But certainly NOT when the German is attacking with 4-5:1 odds and every German division has a brigade attached.

I also didn't see a heavy "stacking Penalty" when my 20 land divisions attacked Sawalki (however it is spelled) from the province next to it in East Prussia. I also had already made a German corridor through the Polish lands so East Prussia could be supplied by land.

I also improved the infrastructure of most German provinces for the first 2.5 years of the game just to assist the flow of supplies to my front lines.

I also saw that when i pushed 9 Polish divs up to the province to the left of Danzig and had them surrounded. they still almost beat my 9 German divisions that were attacking them. again, wtf?

I also had 12 Polish divisions in a full encirclement 2 provinces south of the one next to Danzig and that fully encircled battle almost was lost by 36 divisions of 9Lt armor 6med armor, 6cav, and 9 lvl 4 inf, all with SPART brigades. They also lost 3 times as much troops as the Polish who should have simply been annihilated.

This game is supposed to be based on the vanilla AOD game... correct? I haven't had to use any cheats except for the "no fog" cheat on a regular basis for years, but whatever i downloaded definitely is not working correctly.

Please help! thanks.
 
PLEASE READ AND HEED !!

I really would ONLY like to hear from the devs on this for a bit: say maybe the first 3-4 replies cause i'm really exceptionally not to happy right now.

I'm playing Germany start date 1933. I've used the following cheats "nofog" event 1011, event 1012, event 1009, and energy,metal, rare, supplies, money manpower and oil.

These were used to various degrees to actually get up to 1939. I have NO damn idea how others get the game to where they actually do BEAT the poles within a month.

I cant. I keep running up against POLES who have 150% attack and defense against type 3 inf with spart, type 7 tanks with SPART, heavy tanks with SPART, Mot with SPART, cav type 3 with SPART. I had over 85 inf divisions in groups of 3 -9. I had 8 corp level of cavs. I had 5 corp of type 7 tanks. I had 3 heavy tank corp. I had 5 cas of 4 each to run intervention missions and 8 tac bomb groups of 4 each to also run intervention missions against the provinces that i was attacking.

I attacked with minimum of 3-4 :1 odds in my favor against the poles.

I followed the battle in Sawaalki I don't spell well...

I had 2 cass, 1 tac bomber, 3 cav corp, 1 6 div mot army with HQ, I had 1 9 div of 8 cav with 1 HQ. I had 3 type 7 tanks corp doing support attack mission. the cass and tac bombers did intervention missions. after a week, I LOST the battle and lost 29600 troops and the 3 polish infantry divisions that had 2 AC brigades attached only lost 934 troops.

WTF???????

I also can make improved SMG, lvl 4 infantry. lvl 3 cav. lvl 2 SPART, lvl 3 art, lvl 3 CAS, lvl 2 heavy tanks, lvl 2 medium tanks (type 7), my tanks have sloped armor.

I have army and airforce planning already and advanced parts. new compounds and basic computers, average radar. Most of the land doctrines, 86% of all the air doctrines. All aircraft are already at the "improved' level. Navy is at 3rd or 4th level. I even have torp boats.

I so much like the awesome tech tree and i'm ok with so much of what i see, but HOW THE HELL do the devs rationalize how little Poland with it's inadequate armed forces can battle after battle defeat 3 times the manpower and armor or a revitalized Germany... I do not understand that?


I really want a dev to explain to me how the small Polish army can defeat my Germans.

Oh and this is the FORTH time that i have been defeated by the Polish starting when the Danzig or WAR event fires historically.

Oh yeah.. I also want to know how it is that the Poles have a attack/defense percentage of 110-150/150 all the time, but my Germans with Giving the Germans a "offensive supply" click my attacking Germans only get a attack of 55%??

And what is this -50% to -60% for a damn attack of a province with a river separating them.

DO NOT try to tell me that if i have German Infantry at lvl3 or 4 that they DO not know how to attack across a stream or river.


There are most definitely some major things messed up in this game that I downloaded.

I could see a polish win in a battle where maybe the ratio was even for both sides..... 3 German inf divs vs 3 Polish ones, But certainly NOT when the German is attacking with 4-5:1 odds and every German division has a brigade attached.

I also didn't see a heavy "stacking Penalty" when my 20 land divisions attacked Sawalki (however it is spelled) from the province next to it in East Prussia. I also had already made a German corridor through the Polish lands so East Prussia could be supplied by land.

I also improved the infrastructure of most German provinces for the first 2.5 years of the game just to assist the flow of supplies to my front lines.

I also saw that when i pushed 9 Polish divs up to the province to the left of Danzig and had them surrounded. they still almost beat my 9 German divisions that were attacking them. again, wtf?

I also had 12 Polish divisions in a full encirclement 2 provinces south of the one next to Danzig and that fully encircled battle almost was lost by 36 divisions of 9Lt armor 6med armor, 6cav, and 9 lvl 4 inf, all with SPART brigades. They also lost 3 times as much troops as the Polish who should have simply been annihilated.

This game is supposed to be based on the vanilla AOD game... correct? I haven't had to use any cheats except for the "no fog" cheat on a regular basis for years, but whatever i downloaded definitely is not working correctly.

Please help! thanks.

Did you install Rev1?
 
yes i did before i started this current 33 campaign as Germany.

I thought i had more than enough firepower to not loose any battles with the Polish forces. I made sure that i was attacking with at least 3:1 odds. It's late October 1939 and I haven't even made to surround Warsaw yet.

I do have a saved game of it, if you would want that> i would need instructions at to how to upload the saved game to here so you can review it. I havent uploaded anything like that before.
 
yes i'd like to give that a try, unfortunately i dont know how to upload either...

but did you research land doctrines?

what difficulty are you playing on? did you let AI cheat?
 
yeah i have the following land doctrines:

Great domain, Schwerepunkt, Blitzkrieg, Paralysis, elastic defense, decisive battle, strategic levle, operational level, tactical level and Infantry tactics.

I'm playing on normal.normal and i said NO to the AI cheating. i wanted to just get through a normal first game to see how the game plays in the first place.
 
Wow thats crazy stuff Mikey! I did my Rev1.1 on a clean copy of AoD 1.04 and checked to make sure my GDE was 100% to make sure I had the Revision installed, I had no issues with Poland in fact I had maybe less troops then you and for a few rare prolonged fights in Cracow where it took a week to beat the Polish out, it was not hard to rush to Warsaw or encircle Poles.

The key is to attack from multiple provinces to not get the overstacking penalty well at least that is how I do it based on AoD. More provinces attack from with leaders that can handle the amount in each stack will allow easier victories. Ya I took some casualties but not like you did. Cracow cost me like 6000 troops but the Poles kept reinforcing the city to the point where I had to do the same to get the numerical odds on them. It was a slugfest but in the end I came out. They lost close to 12000 troops almost double my losses.

For you to experience the torture you have endured leads me to think of installation issue or something that did not get updated correctly. My advice if you even care to read is to reload AoD patch it to 1.04 or 1.05 (your choice) then install IC then the hotfix. Overwrite everything too! You might be able to reload your saved game but not sure if that will work here. Only other thing I can think of is your attack methodology, but since I cant see your composition and position or attack strategy I can only make a guess at it and thats not very fair.:confused:
 
i was attacking correctly, i always attack from more than one side and usually have 2 6 div armies in one provience so i can make one attack and one support. I also use at least 1 4squadron of CAS and 1 4 squadron of Tac bombers on intervention missions to knock down the enemy org so they go to defeat faster.

I also try NOT to have to ever fight with odds of less than 2:1.

I'm happy were not flaming each other anymore tigeriii :)

does the revision also give me the ability to get 10 tech teams? I really want those, at least in teh begining of the game. After like 1940, i don't care about them i always got techs all finnished in AOD by 1944 anyways.
 
i was attacking correctly, i always attack from more than one side and usually have 2 6 div armies in one provience so i can make one attack and one support. I also use at least 1 4squadron of CAS and 1 4 squadron of Tac bombers on intervention missions to knock down the enemy org so they go to defeat faster.

I also try NOT to have to ever fight with odds of less than 2:1.

I'm happy were not flaming each other anymore tigeriii :)

does the revision also give me the ability to get 10 tech teams? I really want those, at least in teh begining of the game. After like 1940, i don't care about them i always got techs all finnished in AOD by 1944 anyways.

Flames lol its cool I only got heated those first few days because of the nonsense of expecting perfection. Nothing is perfect not even me!

No revision gives you only 5. You can use the tool in IC to make more but you will get murdered by USA because its based on "base ic" not total "ic" thus Germany starts with 90 only and you get only 5 with that. In AoD its based on your ic so the more you have the more slots you get. I would not advise changing this you can do nicely with 5 up to war time and beyond because I said same thing it was not enough but I figured out how to keep my research % up now and its not too bad.

I dont know Mikey what your issue is unless its an install issue but seems okay I sent you another post to other thread with screen to see if your screen matches my setup.
 
Well tigeriii, here is the thing.. I use the checksums to verify that any patches are installed correctly. That is what the checksums are for.

My checksum for having the revision installed correctly is LPWZ. OS I don't kknow what's going on.

It's definately NOT a boring game.. that's for sure hahaha.
 
It must have something to do with what you installed it over.
I played my Standard Game (Germany from 1933) and i got to 234 IC and 36 Mot/l.Arm and some 20 Inf. before September 1939 and was able to roll over Poland quite well, got about historic values (got Grodno and one other province i later had to cede to Soviet Union) and was completly through, with little casualties, by October, rolled over to France, broke the Maginot-Line with a Tertical envelopment, trapped about two scores of units in what i like to call "The Strassbourg Pocket" and then managed to break a lot of the allied Air Forces on the Ground.
England has been an unfortunate surprise though, that island is practically a fortress, it wasn't but wanted to be in 1940, 4-6 units for every beachheadable area and ARMOR.
But well, i broke that too, though with much more work than before.
 
Since installing 1.1 the poles are no longer kicking my arse. It is however taking me twice as long to conquer poland but I think thats a function of having to cover more regions to prevent the dastardly poles getting behind my lines and thwarting my imperialistic asperations.

As with others I would say remove the tiny tiny provinces, because when you have 8 stacks of 9 infantry (people are cheap, tanks are not) it gets hard to see or select stuff.

Overall. Loving it.
 
It is however taking me twice as long to conquer poland but I think thats a function of having to cover more regions to prevent the dastardly poles getting behind my lines and thwarting my imperialistic asperations.
If the IC people haven't tinkered with how the distance between provinces is covered it might well be because, well, you cover about twice as much ground meaning you take twice as much time.

As with others I would say remove the tiny tiny provinces, because when you have 8 stacks of 9 infantry (people are cheap, tanks are not) it gets hard to see or select stuff.
As a rule of thumb every province less than 2 cm high or wide on the screen at maximum magnification is to small. Gets hard to select them when somethings in them (Berlin is such a case as well) and even worse when you want to go about fighting in them.