This excommunication is starting to piss me off. It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't have a huge hit to vassal loyalty and didn't to Apulia within a few years every single game. How am I supposed to avoid this? I barely do anything and I get excommunicated. This seems incredibly broken. Is death of my leader the only way to not have to deal with excommunication?
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To avoid being excommunicated, try raising your piety. You can do that f.e. to conquer Sicily quickly and install 1 or 2 bishops there.
Does your starting ruler of Apulia (Robert Guiscard) get excommunicated ? Or your 2nd one ? Since I have played many games as Apulia, but never have seen Robert be excommunicated, since he already starts with 100 piety.
Do you give Roberts heirs, a county of their own ? If so, which ones ? Don't give the county (Foggia) that neighbours the lands of the duchess of Tuscany to them, that will get them excommunicated. Give them Consenza or a newly conquered county in Sicily.
It's always Robert Guiscard. In the new game I just started, he got excommunicated a few months in. Like January of February of 1067. The only thing that happened was an event that lowered piety by 10 points. The time before that all I did was a successful and undiscovered assassination and attack Siracusa. I don't see how I can avoid this (I didn't lose any piety at all). Now that it's happened is there any way to get it removed? I'm tempted to just see if there are cheats to remove it, because not being able to avoid it all seems broken.
The pope can only excommunicate you if he has more prestige than you have piety. And he will more likely excommunicate you if you own land that border the papal controller as the papal controller can control the pope to excommunicate you.
So either have always more piety than the pope has prestige or never border his or the papal controllers lands.
Ah yes of course. You play (most likely) an unmodded version of the game. In my several mods, the county of Foggia is held by another de Hauteville familymember, which means that Robert doesn't share a border with the duchess of Tuscany.
Ah that must be it. I'm playing vanilla DV. So is death the only way to get rid of this excommunication now?
There are some events that get rid of it, usually involving you paying ridiculous amounts of money.
Really though, fuck the pope. Take Rome and throw him into the sea.
Really though, fuck the pope. Take Rome and throw him into the sea.
Problem at least early in the game is that you may not have any candidates for Bishop, so can't raise piety effectively anywhere near fast enough. I just started a game as the de Hautevilles and it was about 15 years into the campaign until I finally got a Bishop. I was lucky to avoid excommunication during that vulnerable period, however.
The event with paying a huge bribe will get rid of excommunication, but as I found out in an earlier campaign, you can get re-excommunicated instantly if your piety is still too low. So don't pay the bribe unless you know the solution is permanent.
The event with paying a huge bribe will get rid of excommunication, but as I found out in an earlier campaign, you can get re-excommunicated instantly if your piety is still too low. So don't pay the bribe unless you know the solution is permanent.
I play unmoded DV and have yet to have that problem. Having played close to 20 games as Apulia. Also I have never placed a bishop or anything. Sorry to not be a help but yeah.