Grand Campaign 1914-1964: Thinking of Alternative Scenarions for WWII

[Mister Cvijus]

Hey all of you DH fans!!!

Although I am enthusiastic on how DH is conceptualized, I am rather disapointed on not being able to play from 1914 to 1964 with all the relevant events etc. Nevertheless, that doesn't prevent me to give thumbs up for the DH team.

As many of you are thinking on making a Grand Campaign, I am using this thread for brainstorming on alternatives regarding the in-game results of WWI. I must say for the start that unfortunatelly I am not skillful in modding - I simply want to contribute with ides for those who are able to script mods and similar. Soooo, let's get started.

1. Germany wins the Great War - France loses: Who will provoke WWII

There was one mod for HOI2 some years ago which dealt with a similar situation, but the WWI never happened.
The point is, France loses its cores to Germany (Lorraine), so a course of events for France being the provoker of the next war would be as follows (recomendation):

1920s (we can discuss the period) French traditionalists/monarchists gain momentum with the overall disapointment following the loss of war.
The republican government acts rather restrictive, which after a bloodbath in (let's say Marseille) provokes a civil war.
Monarchists capture Paris and establish a temporary government which has the task of designating a new emperor - Have an event whether we choose a Bonapartist, Orleanist or Bourbon.
1930s An overall process of industrialization takes place which rebuilds the economy, navy and army.
The road to war I thought it could start by France demanding Wallonie from Belgium for a start and afterwards initiate a war over Luxembourg.
French allies/enemies Germany for one, the rest... open for discussion...

The rest of my thoughts will follow soon...

 

[Ostheim]

You may want to check out the mod in my sig, Arms & Armistice. It intends not only to fill the 1918-1936 gap but also to create ahistorical possibilities like you describe. A defeated France becoming radical or revanchist by WW2 is part of the plan. I really like your ideas, why don't you post some more in the A&A thread?

 

[Dutchemperor]

Defeated France, Fascist + Monarchy, Like OTL Italy, wich would become Leninist, Unholy alliance style then?

 

[kiahoga]

I know Nomanhan has been working on a scenarion with a minor German Victory in WW1 in addition to CWE.


Also they're are some things your going to have to consider is that French knew by 1923 that they're unlike the Germans were going to have a major Manpower Shortage come the 1930s because fewer young men were reaching Military age.

 

[DanubianCossak]

You could always have someone overthrow Stalin in Moscow, and then decide to change Soviet overall policy of "building up our economy and then spreading our political ideas via industrial might" to more original ideas of causing instant world wide class revolution: "pay, supply and organize communists around the world, then have them start revolutions, if possible use Red Army to spread the word of Ilyich".

 

[Ares96]

That makes two mods that have been merged into Arms & Armistice.

 

[Yaromir]

You could always have someone overthrow Stalin in Moscow, and then decide to change Soviet overall policy of "building up our economy and then spreading our political ideas via industrial might"

A trotskiite revival in 1930's? Highly implausible.

Any alt history mod would need to deal with reasonable cases:
i.e. War becomes a meat grinder with neither side gaining anything for a long time -> unrest at home for all belligerents -> negotiated peace.
Nationalist uprisings in Austria (if it survives)
Soviets never gain prominence or lose RCW.
etc...
etc...
Basically you'd need to look at the multitude of plausible outcomes and create alt histories for them

Good luck.